New off road gun

[Will]

Just bought it today so must wait 1-10 days for background check,but will use cci mini mag for plinking and cci stingers for defense.QUOTE]

I carry a Berreta Bobcat .22LR. I've had it since '99 and have shot 10,000 rounds at least through it. Stingers are the only ammo that reliably cycle it. Mini Mags and Remington Yellow Jackets malfunction even after so much wear.

Be aware that a .22LR out of a 2" barrel won't even kill a racoon. Not even a whole magazine's worth. A .22LR is meant to operate in 18" of barrel, and you get 16" worth of flash and noise and 2" worth of power. A .22LR from a rifle drops a racoon in its tracks. A pocket pistol is a get-away weapon. Shoot them all and run. The sight radius is so tiny plinking is hardly a sport.

Gun fights are usually within 10 feet. Maybe it's 7 feet. Work on getting it out and firing it without shooting yourself as quickly as possible. I keep mine in my front pocket. When I train I pull it out and shoot twice at a coffee can on a stick 10 feet away. I get 4 tries per magazine. I don't use the safety, either.

You work on muscle memory by "snapping in." Carry it with you unloaded and whip it out, close your eyes, open them and look through the sights. You get where you can point and shoot without the sites. Sites aren't important because real life doesn't have a ten ring. Pick one gun and hold it a lot. Sitting in my office I can point my beretta at anything from memeory and when I look through the site, it's dead on. It's totally different than range shooting.

Someone asked me if they should get a laser sight. I said no. You whip out your gun and then start looking for the red dot? You're dead. You whip out your gun and fire twice. You're alive. That's the difference.

The Marine Corps has a rifle course with known distance targets and basically no time limit to hit them. They also do some combat type shooting with pop-up targets. Since the pistol is relatively useless on the battlefield, they just made up a known distance course for it as well. It's useless. A pistol is a close combat weapon. You don't get to stand there and aim. You punch out shots like a fist.

When I went through Marine Security Guard training, we used the S&W model 19 .357 Magnum. The Marines made us qualify on the regular rnage with them--as I had done with the 1911 and M9 before. It's strange because it's designed for a pistol with more capacity than a six-gun, but I shot a 378/400 on it. When I went back to the fleet, I shot a 400/400 with the Beretta M9. It's that much easier because the heavy double-action revolver trigger is much tougher.

Anyway, we then had to qualify on the State Department course which is a combat type course. In short, whip it out and plug bullets into a paper silhoutte of a mad with an AK. It starts at 7 feet. I did worse on that because I was used to being allowed to aim. But that's real world shooting. Pull it out and shoot--right now. Or get shot. That's how you train with a pistol. Hit a 10" paper plate at 10' twice in a quick draw in one second...one thousand and pop-pop! That's your mission. Index finger straight along the frame until you have the weapon clear and safe.

Pop-Pop!

The only important moment in a gunfight is the first second.

 

[Tonka]

...and i refuse to ride on private property. i've been there-done that. i was that little douche bag kid at one point. and i've grown up since then. ..

Every time I fire up the ATV I ride it on private property. There's nowhere else to ride it, except the street. I don't tear up crops though, nor do I ride along the same path frequently enough to wear a trail. The farmers have no problem with that. Of course, I'm talking about a little 4 wheeler, not a pickup truck.

There's some trails near here, nobody knows who owns the land, but until somebody puts up "No Trespassing" signs, I'm gonna ride there.

I carry a 45 when I'm riding in areas where I know coyotes hang out though. I also wear it openly in a holster on my own property when mowing the lawn. Usually if I spook a coyote it runs away, but I did have several of them try to attack me on my ATV once. The ones around here are "coy dogs". They've interbred with dogs and aren't afraid of people.

In 2008 they kept coming up by the house trying to eat my mouse-killing machine. First two times I never had a clear shot so I fired into the grass to scare them off. 3rd time there was a full moon and I could see so I dropped 3 of them with my Thompson rifle (semi-auto, shoots .45 ACP). The rest of them got away, and until about a month ago I didn't see another coyote around here. Last month I was bush-hogging the ditch across the street and two of them jumped up out of the weeds and ran off into the corn.

 

[4.0B2]

well in north MS, it aint that easy anymore. you need written permission on you at all times now. b/c we have had so much crap go on from people trespassing.. so if you don't know who owns it, you don't ride on it! i'd like to keep my 4wheeler and truck and everything. police aint taking it from me b/c i ride on property that idk who owns.

of course, we are talking about different areas, which means things are differen

 

[The Jester Race]

Just bought it today so must wait 1-10 days for background check,but will use cci mini mag for plinking and cci stingers for defense.I wish I could do the you tube thing ,if you want to see it it is http://www.kirotv.com/news/15448604/detail.html hope this works. As for animals I hope not to contact many ,stay in truck but if someone comes up to the truck with a blinding light telling me to get face down in the mud at that point I really do not care about who's land it is, they are going to get 10 hollow points in 2 seconds .whats that line about, Gun control is hitting what you aim at?

Really? That is completely irresponsible. What if the man shining the blinding light in your face is a cop who failed to identify himself as so. Guess what, you just murdered a cop.

Dude you're in your truck, drive away. If they start to shoot at you, continue to drive away. If you can't get away, then you turn to your gun.

Your gun is your last resort, not your first. You are not a gunfighter. You will likely be injured or killed if you go looking for trouble. Stay out of closed areas and off of closed trails, use your head, if a situation seems sketchy, get out.

I will defend your right to choose to carry a gun to my last breath, but I will not defend stupidity.



-Jester

 

[Tonka]

well in north MS, it aint that easy anymore. you need written permission on you at all times now. b/c we have had so much crap go on from people trespassing.. so if you don't know who owns it, you don't ride on it! i'd like to keep my 4wheeler and truck and everything. police aint taking it from me b/c i ride on property that idk who owns.

of course, we are talking about different areas, which means things are differen

No it's the same here. You need written permission. I don't think it's because of vandalism or theft, it's because the big insurance companies want it that way. Liability is the only real reason anybody's gonna complain about cutting across their fields, unless you're tearing up crops.

However, ain't no cop gonna even try catching me. Even if the cop has an SUV (very few SUV cops around here) he still ain't gonna catch a 4WD ATV. The biggest thing is there are deep ditches along the roads the cop would have to get through first. Then there's the fact there's also lots of creeks, with the water down in a deep ravine, I can put my 4WD on and go down through it and up the other side. Ain't no cop SUV with street tires gonna be able to do that.

But I don't think the cops around here even care enough.

 

[lil_Blue_Ford]

Just bought it today so must wait 1-10 days for background check,but will use cci mini mag for plinking and cci stingers for defense.I wish I could do the you tube thing ,if you want to see it it is http://www.kirotv.com/news/15448604/detail.html hope this works. As for animals I hope not to contact many ,stay in truck but if someone comes up to the truck with a blinding light telling me to get face down in the mud at that point I really do not care about who's land it is, they are going to get 10 hollow points in 2 seconds .whats that line about, Gun control is hitting what you aim at?

Hope you like prison then....

Seriously, if you're trespassing and someone puts a blinding light in your face and demands you get facedown in the mud, what's to say it wouldn't be a cop behind that light? Or a 12 year old kid playing around on his daddy's land and thought it would be funny to shine a light and yell a little to throw a scare in someone trespassing.

If that's the reason you bought a gun, so you could go off half-cocked and shoot someone, then you should not have a gun. Period.

 

[badmts]

Frankly,if its a COP who fails to identify themselves or A 12 YR OLD having fun and the alleged trespasser complies then gets a gun butt in the face requiring 11 stitches and is forced down into the mud (now at this point we need a sound track ,oh,how about DUELING BANJOS from a little movie about outsiders on other peoples land ! If Bobby Trippe would've had a gun it would have been a different movie and the phrase "you got a pretty mouth " would not be NEAR as funny when out camping with your friends!
).I think at that point all involved would be combatants and better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6 and to all the ballistics experts the P22 was one of two weapons used by Seung-Hui Cho to kill alot of people in the worst massacre in US History. Now I have no plans to trespass or shoot people but one of the places I go alot ,CAPITOL STATE FOREST, is open to all and is starting to get squatters who live in old campers year round and are starting to act a little like it is their property not public land-so while the 2nd amendment is still law and Wa. is still open carry my stupid untrained ass will be packing an underpowered handgun that can't even kill a raccoon as one poster said.

 

[heptofite]

If a cop does something threatening and fails to identify himself as a cop he deserves whatever he gets.

ANY time any type of law enforcement is doing something threatening towards a person the VERY ****ING FIRST WORDS out of their mouth had better be self identification.

if some assclown pulls a pistol on me i would not hesitate to drop him like a bad habit, so if he's an out-of-uniform cop he better ID pretty quick.

 

[Tonka]

...now at this point we need a sound track ,oh,how about DUELING BANJOS from a little movie about outsiders on other peoples land ! If Bobby Trippe would've had a gun it would have been a different movie and the phrase "you got a pretty mouth " would not be NEAR as funny when out camping with your friends!
)..

A little off-topic but since you mentioned Deliverance, .... ...

I have a homemade raft, it drafts about 2 inches into the water carrying 3 adults, beer, deep cycle batteries, etc. One of the places I like to take it is the Kankakee River in Illinois, from the Indiana state line to Momence, IL. I built a stereo, it's a car stereo and speakers in a plywood box, with a 4" computer fan and vent holes to cool the amp, basically. A hell of a lot better than a boom-box and I don't have to mess with batteries cuz it uses the deep cycle for the trolling motor.

Along the river there's a few houses in flood zones, and dirt-poor hillbillies live in them. Just for the hell of it I put that dueling banjo's thing on the MP3 disc for one trip, to mess with my friends when we were floating past the hillbilly houses. (You know the type with 40 year old camper permanently attached to a ramshackle house as an "addition")

Anyway one time the river was at flood stage, & apparently there's a ban on boat travel when the river is flooded. The reason is they don't want FAST boats that push a wake, sending waves of water into houses that are already flooded. But we were just drifting.

This toothless hick starts yelling at us from shore because we were on the water. My friends started yelling back at him for a minute, calling him a toothless hillbilly & stuff while I was fiddling with the stereo, volume almost all the way down, trying to find the Deliverance banjo thing. When I found it, I cranked it up loud. Nobody knew I had that on there but me, and when my friends heard it, Keith fell off his lawn chair and ended up in the river. That made it twice as funny. At the end, I'd even forgotten I'd spliced in a quote from Christina Applegate (Kelly Bundy) from an episode of SNL, from a Chris Farley skit. Right after the dueling banjos we hear Christina Applegate "I wanta live in a van down by the river". At that point my other drunk friend fell off his chair too. I never laughed so freakin' hard in my life. We ended up slamming into a half-sunken pontoon boat cuz I wasn't paying attention but it was worth it.

 

[naford]

Theres a lot of bada@@ on TRS today.

 

[Ak_Ranger]

Wow, I guess somethings really dont change about places.

For one SOME knives are meant to be thrown, and i know quite a few people that are dead accurate at 20 feet away. So Not all knives are meant to stay in your hand.

ALso, if the person knows what they are doing and can throw accurately you wont be standing long with a knife in your throat.

To many people think because they have a gun in their hand they are unstoppable, that is ignorant.

This topic seems like nothing but a bragging/Bs/Flame thread. I see alot of people who think they are bad ass but have no sence of the real world. I think Im done with this one lol.

 

[mn_smokeater]

Wow, I guess somethings really dont change about places.

For one SOME knives are meant to be thrown, and i know quite a few people that are dead accurate at 20 feet away. So Not all knives are meant to stay in your hand.

ALso, if the person knows what they are doing and can throw accurately you wont be standing long with a knife in your throat.

To many people think because they have a gun in their hand they are unstoppable, that is ignorant.

This topic seems like nothing but a bragging/Bs/Flame thread. I see alot of people who think they are bad ass but have no sence of the real world. I think Im done with this one lol.

well yeah thats true and iv seen people like that but i go out on a limb here and assume its pretty unlikely that il ever have to draw on someone like that, its just my thought that someone who is that skilled and disciplined is not someone whos going to go rob the local gas station and start tossing knives into people.

i hope you dont consider me to be bragging/bs'ing/flaming here as its not what im trying to do.

 

[bobbywalter]

 

[88_Eddie]

well yeah thats true and iv seen people like that but i go out on a limb here and assume its pretty unlikely that il ever have to draw on someone like that, its just my thought that someone who is that skilled and disciplined is not someone whos going to go rob the local gas station and start tossing knives into people.

i hope you dont consider me to be bragging/bs'ing/flaming here as its not what im trying to do.

i agree

you wanna draw down with a knife with someone that has a gun, go for it. i was merely pointing out that you better be damn confident in your abilities. more power to you if you can incapacitate a human being at 20 feet with a knife, wish i could. but there's a lot more room to not hit your target than to hit it. trust me, i'm a level 70 on COD4.

 

[lil_Blue_Ford]

Wow, I guess somethings really dont change about places.

For one SOME knives are meant to be thrown, and i know quite a few people that are dead accurate at 20 feet away. So Not all knives are meant to stay in your hand.

ALso, if the person knows what they are doing and can throw accurately you wont be standing long with a knife in your throat.

To many people think because they have a gun in their hand they are unstoppable, that is ignorant.

This topic seems like nothing but a bragging/Bs/Flame thread. I see alot of people who think they are bad ass but have no sence of the real world. I think Im done with this one lol.

Yea, I think I'm going to bow out of this one at this point too. I can almost hear the lock clicking on this thread anyway.....