New off road gun

[mn_smokeater]

No, up close, if they don't have a gun, they are the ones who would have to be worried.

true to a point, but have you heard of the Tueller Drill?

moreover what im saying is that even with a gun faced at them some people can still be a clear and deadly threat even without a gun be it a Baseball bat, knife, or bare hands.

 

[Ak_Ranger]

true to a point, but have you heard of the Tueller Drill?

moreover what im saying is that even with a gun faced at them some people can still be a clear and deadly threat even without a gun be it a Baseball bat, knife, or bare hands.

In the right hands a knife is more deadly then a gun within 20 feet. If some one knows what they are doing they can pull out and throw a knife faster then most can draw aim and fire a fire arm.

 

[88_Eddie]

In the right hands a knife is more deadly then a gun within 20 feet. If some one knows what they are doing they can pull out and throw a knife faster then most can draw aim and fire a fire arm.

and what happens after the knife is thrown and i'm still standing there at 20 feet with my gun? a 4 inch blade sticking out of my torso isnt going to keep me from pumping a couple shotgun shells into you. (unless you somehow hit me in the heart, which i'm gonna say is unlikely)

 

[Tonka]

Saw a vid on you tube the other day about some hapless fellows AROUND HERE that were wheelin' in an area they weren't supposed to and they were ambushed by some well meaning vigalantes that spotlighted them forced them from their rigs and buttstroked them to the face .Now I am not debating the off limits wheelin only the assualt after they were stopped-If i am asked or told or screamed at to move on and GET THE HECK OUTTA HERE ! THATS COOL BUT IF PEOPLE ARE GETTIN BEATIN AND SHOT AT we are at a new level. Now I know all you haters are gonna give me hell cause its only a P22 .22LR 10 shot semi auto but I tried a .357 and several 9mm but they were too loud and I hit nothing but with the P22 I put all 10 rounds in the target at 10 meters and the shot group was tight -and the rounds are only .795 cents apiece $7.95 per 100 CCI MINI MAG vs. .35 cents or .49 cents for 9mm and .38 respectivly.So now I am officially a gun nut

I live in IL and have spooked coyotes plenty of times with my ATV when I'm near the creek. Usually they just get up and run, and if they head out into the open, I chase them for a while. But one time I spooked a pack of about 5 or 6 of them and they went into "attack mode" and one of them bit onto my plastic fender while another one ended up getting run the **** over cuz it tried jumping onto my front rack. So now I carry my Taurus 45 ACP when I'm out riding.

That Walther P-22 is a good target gun but it ain't gonna stop any wildlife, at least not an animal big enough it's likely to attack you rather than just run away. I have one of those too.

I gots a question about your Walther though. Mine will jam up (won't eject)like every 3 or 4 shots if I use Winchester "Wildcat" ammo. That Winchester ammo works fine in my bolt-action rifle but not in the P22. I can only use Remington ammo. And I also have to clean the **** out of the barrel about every 50 shots or even the Remington will jam up. What brand of ammo have you used in yours?

There's nothing OTHER THAN private property around here. I stay off the crops and just ride in the grassy strips between the fields, or across the fields after it's been harvested and before the spring planting. I've never had problems with land owners around here as a result.

But where I grew up, the farmers were ***-holes. When I was about 14 one of them tried saying he could legally steal the dirt-bike I was on, and when he reached for my kill switch I let him have it, ran his *** over and didn't slow down. Today I would still do the exact same thing if a farmer tried to steal my $6000 ATV.

 

[mn_smokeater]

In the right hands a knife is more deadly then a gun within 20 feet. If some one knows what they are doing they can pull out and throw a knife faster then most can draw aim and fire a fire arm.

knife isnt tossed. you keep it in your hand.

 

[nine-teen91stxranger]

knife isnt tossed. you keep it on a rope so you can shank that mofo again..

fixed.

 

[Tonka]

I don't know about your states laws but when it comes to tresspassing here if the land owner feels that his life or his property is threatenned he can legally use lethal force against you. Now if you bring your own gun you're almost guaranteed to be shot.

They can't shoot to protect their property only their LIVES. A farmer can't start shooting at somebody just because they're ripping up his corn field. That's nonsense. Now if you were trespassing INSIDE HIS HOUSE, it's a totally different scenario.

 

[nine-teen91stxranger]

tonka, it depends on the state.

 

[lil_Blue_Ford]

They can't shoot to protect their property only their LIVES. A farmer can't start shooting at somebody just because they're ripping up his corn field. That's nonsense. Now if you were trespassing INSIDE HIS HOUSE, it's a totally different scenario.

Crops are his livelihood. Some states will allow farmers to protect their way of life by giving them the ability to take life.

Think of it like this, if you made your living as a mechanic and had $10,000 of tools and toolbox (Snap-On stuff) and someone came in the shop one day with a cutting torch and started cutting your box and tools into scrap in front of you, you would likely be justified in kicking his teeth down his throat for depriving you of your livelihood.

 

[badmts]

Just bought it today so must wait 1-10 days for background check,but will use cci mini mag for plinking and cci stingers for defense.I wish I could do the you tube thing ,if you want to see it it is http://www.kirotv.com/news/15448604/detail.html hope this works. As for animals I hope not to contact many ,stay in truck but if someone comes up to the truck with a blinding light telling me to get face down in the mud at that point I really do not care about who's land it is, they are going to get 10 hollow points in 2 seconds .whats that line about, Gun control is hitting what you aim at?

 

[Will]

Um, no state is going to let you kill people for damaging crops. An immediate threat, it's not. It has to be an immediate threat.

You can shoot someone to protect yourself. It's not black and white. Most likely, you will have to face a jury unless you shot them in your bedroom in the middle of the night. Don't bring your gun when you are trespassing. That just means whoever shoots you has less of a chance to face a jury.

You aren't a professional gunman. You carry a gun just in case. You are no good with it, trust me. Even people that are good with it shoot hundreds of rounds a week, or thousands. Police officers aren't good with guns. It's a last resort in any case. If you feel you need to carry a gun to ride your ATV, you aren't riding in a healthy area.

Until recently, Seal Team 6 used .38 revolvers. 180 ft# of muzzle energy or whatever. When you are good, you don't need sights. It's muscle memory. It's like pointing your finger and a bullet goes there. When a guy trains to shoot at the intensity that those guys have to maintain, you don't stand a chance. You bust into a room, you have an instant to decide what to do and even less time to take action there's no time for sights and 5hit. It's like the bullet comes out of your eyes.

What I'm saying is, you can buy guns, own guns and carry guns--but don't get outside yourself. When guns come out, you might get shot. You have a pipewrench at home, but you aren't a plumber. I have a miter saw, but I'm not a carpenter. I hired a carpenter and he did some finish work in 20 minutes that would have taken me two days and I would have made it ugly. Just understand that personal protection is an extreme situation. A handgun is an extreme tool. I would not voluntarily place myself in the situation where I might have to take a life, or get mine taken, over some pride.

 

[4.0B2]

in MS, it is not just inside the house anymore. if you are on my property(outside/inside all the same) i can legally shoot you if i feel my life is threatened..

and even if it is just my property threatened, i could tell the cop he reached towards his back waistline, i thought he was pulling a gun.. end of story.

and i refuse to ride on private property. i've been there-done that. i was that little douche bag kid at one point. and i've grown up since then. they don't play about trespassing anymore in MS.. they will prosecute in a heartbeat.

 

[mn_smokeater]

Um, no state is going to let you kill people for damaging crops. An immediate threat, it's not. It has to be an immediate threat.

You can shoot someone to protect yourself. It's not black and white. Most likely, you will have to face a jury unless you shot them in your bedroom in the middle of the night. Don't bring your gun when you are trespassing. That just means whoever shoots you has less of a chance to face a jury.

You aren't a professional gunman. You carry a gun just in case. You are no good with it, trust me. Even people that are good with it shoot hundreds of rounds a week, or thousands. Police officers aren't good with guns. It's a last resort in any case. If you feel you need to carry a gun to ride your ATV, you aren't riding in a healthy area.

Until recently, Seal Team 6 used .38 revolvers. 180 ft# of muzzle energy or whatever. When you are good, you don't need sights. It's muscle memory. It's like pointing your finger and a bullet goes there. When a guy trains to shoot at the intensity that those guys have to maintain, you don't stand a chance. You bust into a room, you have an instant to decide what to do and even less time to take action there's no time for sights and 5hit. It's like the bullet comes out of your eyes.

What I'm saying is, you can buy guns, own guns and carry guns--but don't get outside yourself. When guns come out, you might get shot. You have a pipewrench at home, but you aren't a plumber. I have a miter saw, but I'm not a carpenter. I hired a carpenter and he did some finish work in 20 minutes that would have taken me two days and I would have made it ugly. Just understand that personal protection is an extreme situation. A handgun is an extreme tool. I would not voluntarily place myself in the situation where I might have to take a life, or get mine taken, over some pride.

well said Will.

 

[Tonka]

Crops are his livelihood. Some states will allow farmers to protect their way of life by giving them the ability to take life.

I highly doubt that. It ain't the wild west out here no more. With all the ACLU lawyers and un-American, gun-grabbing politicians we have infesting this country, I find it extremely hard to believe that a farmer can blow somebody's head off for riding a 4 wheeler across his land, and not end up in prison.

The days of lynch mobs and hanging "cattle rustlers" is long over.

However, it WOULD be nice if land owners along the US/Mexico border were allowed to shoot trespassers!

 

[4.0B2]

yall can bash me all you want

but personally i think anyone should be able to shoot trespassers, if the need allows.. i don't mean someone that accidentally crosses your property line. but all these douche bag kids that just go out and ride that tear up land and crap. just b/c i think we should be able to-- doesn't mean i would. idk if i would want to live w/ myself that i shot someone just b/c they tore up some of my land. but i could scare the crap out of them! lol