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Need Some Advice...


Dep. Ranger

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I found my dad's old CB Radio laying around in the garage the other day. It is at least 5-10 years old. The only thing that is missing from it is an antenna. The model is a Royce CB 582. I saw that radioshack sells some CB antennas. Do you know of any type of brand that I should buy. Now it is old, so I don't want to spend over $30 for one. Any advice would be helpful...
 
wally world aka wallmart has some el-cheepo's but just remember you get what you pay for.. i found a k40 at a yard sale yesterday for $25 so look around before you buy one..:icon_cheers:
 
Nothing wrong with old CB radios, I have an old 23 channel Pace that my dad had, then I bought a pair of lil 40 channel CB's from Radioshack that are about as big as a paperback book, then I got a Cobra 40 channel when I bought my choptop. All work fine, although I did have someone more knowledgeable in CB's than me check out the old Pace, he said he had to resoider a couple spots inside because some of the joints had cracked a lil over the years and wern't making a great connection. I think the old Pace works just as good or better than the new CB's I got, only downside is it's only got 23 channels.

As far as antenna's go, the longer the better for reception. A cheapie like 2' magnet mount will work (I found that all of the terminals corrode bad if you don't take it apart and coat all connections with dielectric grease). I also found that the mag mounts damage the paint to a degree. Fiberglass antennas are good, most people recommend Firestick fiberglass antennas, but I've seen fiberglass antennas snap off when they hit a tree branch or something. My choptop I went all out... it sports a 102" steel whip, lol. Plus I mounted it on the tire rack so the very tip of it is about 13' 6" off the ground... it was like $20 for the antenna an another $20 for the mount plus a few bucks for cable.
 
A 5-10 year old CB isn't old. Mine's 20 at least.
 
The older 23 channel units have more power than the 40 channel ones.
 
Whatever antenna you end up with be sure to check the standing wave before you start doing much transmitting on it or you will blow the final output section.
 
Go get a SWR ( standing wave ratio ) meter and check the plane.. ideally you wanna see the standing ratio at one or below when keyed. You also if the tool is available get ahold of a antenna analyzer and check reflect and plane dispersion on the vechicle..

Ok i kid, just check the SWR"S and call it good.. Im running around 300 watts so its kinda necessary to do all that.
 
23 more power than a 40 chan don't think so
23 channel units put out 5 watts, when they went to 40 channels the govt limited them to 3.5 watts.
 
That radio is at least 30 years old.

As for the power rating, the method of measurement is what changed, not the actual output power itself.

I forget the exact date it changed, but earlier radios were rated as "5 watts input power" to the final output stage, whereas later radios are rated "4 watts maximum carrier output power" (3.5 watts was what many manufacturers used as a bit of a "buffer" in staying legal).

Because no radio has a 100% efficient final output stage, later radios do tend to output a bit more carrier power than earlier ones (about 3.5-3.75 watts vs. 3.0-3.25 watts).
 
Go get a SWR ( standing wave ratio ) meter and check the plane.. ideally you wanna see the standing ratio at one or below when keyed. You also if the tool is available get ahold of a antenna analyzer and check reflect and plane dispersion on the vechicle..

Ok i kid, just check the SWR"S and call it good.. Im running around 300 watts so its kinda necessary to do all that.

Below 1? You want it 1.5 or below...
 
Go get a SWR ( standing wave ratio ) meter and check the plane.. ideally you wanna see the standing ratio at one or below when keyed. You also if the tool is available get ahold of a antenna analyzer and check reflect and plane dispersion on the vechicle..

Ok i kid, just check the SWR"S and call it good.. Im running around 300 watts so its kinda necessary to do all that.

An SWR of <1:1 isn't possible... either theoretically or in the real world
An SWR is a relative index of impedience mismatch and 1:1 is "perfect"
and in CB terms will only be achieved in 7-10 channels

I have a $350 piece of equipment that measures feedpoint impediance
to within two decimal places, and an FCC licence that says I know
what I'm talking about.

Next WHY are you runing 300Watts?

In radio terms you are an "alligator", great big mouth but no ears
You can talk to people who can't talk back to you.
In essence you are only making it very difficult for everyone else
to hear by increasing the noise floor on the band.

Are you REALLY running 300Watts? how big are the wires
feeding your amp? a REAL 300watt amplifier (I have one
for the 2meter amateur band) requires 60Amps and cables
with the copper conductor about as fat as a pencil(6ga wire)

also a 300watt AM amplifier is about the size of TWO School textbooks
and by weight is mostly heatsink. think "big" audio amplifier
like one of the 900w Sony Xplod amplifiers

It's not like an audio amplifier where the amp has to put
out 300watts on peaks, an AM CB amplifier "wastes" most of
it's power generating a carrier wave and essentially must
produce that output continuously for the entire time you
hold down the Mic button.

an SSB amp would be considerably smaller, lighter and less
power hungry, so would only draw about 40amps peak.


Even if you really have 300watts and a good antenna system to use it
and are running Single Side Band it won't necissarily help.

I operate on the 10meter Amateur band (28-30MHz, where CB is 26-27MHz)mostly in the N/T section of the band where there is a restriction to 200watts... and even with a communications grade transceiver that cost more than EVERY CB owned by a TRS member put together is the "band" (atmospheric propagation) doesn't want to cooperate you can't talk to anyone further than 25-50 miles and the 50 miles is sometimes "iffy".

When the band DOES want to cooperate I've talked to people in Japan, Tunisia, South Africa, New Zealand and Russia all on the same day!

Increasing from the 5watts to 50watts only increases the range of average communications on CB from it's normal 5-12 miles to about 18miles miles
Yeah you've talked to people further away on occasion...

I've managed to talk to people ~200miles away with only 5watts
On 145MHz... we were both on mountaintops with good (directional)
antennae, on an "average day" 45-50 miles is possible with 5watts (FM)
on 146Mhz.


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