level 2 torsen question

[bigpotato555]

I just bought an 07 level 2...and so far i am not really impress by the locker...I would to have explanation how does the torsen work...since i didn't not found a lot...What i have found so far it that there is a ratio 2:1 or 3:1 which would mean the ratio difference between the two wheels...so 2:1 would mean 2 part on one wheel and 1 part on the other...so each wheel would have between 33 to 66% at all time in theory...the i got it to flex and the wheel of the ground was getting 100% and no wheel spin on the other....but it does lock went i pound it in a strait line...anyway any clarification would be helpful

dam i love lincoln locker!

 

[JohnnyU]

Torsen Differential

 

[Beanmachine7000]

It's because a Torsen isn't a locker...

 

[Captain Ledd]

It's a Torsen Differential. It's actually a heavy-duty limited slip, so it needs resistance from both wheels to work. A wheel in the air has no resistance and will turn it into essentially an open differential. While they are on the ground and getting resistance from eash wheel as they are supposed to, they are basically the best limited slip available and work extremely well (as it seems you mistook it for a locker ).

That 2:1 and 3:1 stuff is the bias ratio. I'm still a little fuzzy on exactly how that translates to applying torque, but I believe the higher numerically it is, the more torque it can transfer to the wheel with more traction. However you will always need 2 wheels touching the ground.

 

[Fx4wannabe01]

NOT a locker, merely a helical gear driven limited slip. It's very similar to a Detroit True Trac.

 

[bigpotato555]

one thing for sure it crap...I would be ashamed to invented something like that....a clutch type limited is actually better than that...I wonder if they are weldable lolol

 

[wahlstrom1]

You never mentioned if it was a stick/auto but try applying slight brake pressure next time you find yourself in that situation. This should give the resistance needed to help engage the torsen. It won't turn it into a locker but it should help. If not, sell it to someone who likes the way it works and install a detroit.....

 

[Captain Ledd]

one thing for sure it crap...I would be ashamed to invented something like that....a clutch type limited is actually better than that...I wonder if they are weldable lolol

I doubt they'd enjoy being welded on.

Clutches are nice because they can be rebuilt to one's liking (but they'll still do the same thing you're currently experiencing). Not only that, they wear out much faster and their performance decreases accordingly. A Torsen (for all intensive purposes) will essentially never wear out (performance wise) until it simply just breaks from fatigue. Even if it breaks from "wearing out" the gears, it's performance shouldn't decrease until very very shortly before the failure, where the last bit of case hardening is eaten through and soft metal is exposed. They also won't leave chunks of clutch material floating around in your diff.

For what they're intended to do, they work really well. I think you were expecting it to do something it was never supposed to be able to do. Pull it out, throw a spool/locker/Detroit or whatever in it and sell the L/S, They're good units and there's plenty of people who want them.

You never mentioned if it was a stick/auto but try applying slight brake pressure next time you find yourself in that situation. This should give the resistance needed to help engage the torsen. It won't turn it into a locker but it should help. If not, sell it to someone who likes the way it works and install a detroit.....

X2 the brake trick works. Also works on open diffs when you're looking for a bit more traction, I've tried it.

 

[bigpotato555]

it's stick shift...well the truck is my daily...but i still am wheeling it and it sure frustating to have an fanny name open diff!...anyway i have read there is a t2 and t2r diff...wonder which i have because the t2r have clutch and is suposed to eliminated the one wheel of the ground problem...so wondering if the clutch are use or something...but the truck only have 25 000miles

 

[Fx4wannabe01]

Dude...it's a friggin' limited slip! You can't expect it to do what a Detroit or ARB can do!!



In total agreement with Captain Ledd.



There are no clutches in the Torsen T2, which is in your truck. I could post detailed pics of the Torsen.....I've got one lying in my shop from when I couldn't use it with a 4.88 ring gear.

 

[Hahnsb2]

Correct, it's a limited slip, and like all limited slips, they work OK on flat ground and are useless when there is a large traction difference between the 2 tires.

 

[AllanD]

It's a Torsen Differential. It's actually a heavy-duty limited slip, so it needs resistance from both wheels to work. A wheel in the air has no resistance and will turn it into essentially an open differential. While they are on the ground and getting resistance from eash wheel as they are supposed to, they are basically the best limited slip available and work extremely well (as it seems you mistook it for a locker ).

That 2:1 and 3:1 stuff is the bias ratio. I'm still a little fuzzy on exactly how that translates to applying torque, but I believe the higher numerically it is, the more torque it can transfer to the wheel with more traction. However you will always need 2 wheels touching the ground.

It's because there is a misunderstanding on how exactly a torsen does it's job.

a Torsen type I or Type II will be MORE prone to spinning
the inside tire in a corner than an open diff.

the blanket ASSumption that because a wheel is spinning the diff isn't working is the result of people not understanding the unit's function...

That "torque bias" figuire also states in a backwards sorta way how much the spinning tire can spin.

Provided that EITHER tire has SOME traction


Unlike an open differential it isn't allow to spin at ANY speed, but only at a very strictly defined ratio greater than the speed of the other tire.

If you have one tire in the air it behaves like an open.
Though a technique of riding the brake a little
can keep the unit from allowing unlimited slip.

I recall not too long ago driving agressively in the rain and my passenger commented on "One legger burnouts" as I spun a wheel taking a corner (I run a conventional limited slip) it never occoured to them that BOTH rear tires were spinning and the one making the noise was the one with the greater traction, the one with less traction was spinning silently... but BOTH were spinning...

Shit, with a 4.10's and a 4.0 I can spin my 235's on dry pavement...

One of the reasons I'm switching to 3.73's.
Even with weight in the back my supercab is
a twitchy bastard in the snow.

If you really don't like it I'll trade you a new, never used
31-spline Ford Traction Loc for it.

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[wahlstrom1]

I recall not too long ago driving agressively in the rain and my passenger commented on "One legger burnouts" as I spun a wheel taking a corner (I run a conventional limited slip) it never occoured to them that BOTH rear tires were spinning and the one making the noise was the one with the greater traction, the one with less traction was spinning silently... but BOTH were spinning...

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Yup, I've have my truck made fun of because of squawking the inside tire on turns making people think it's a one wheel wonder mall crawler.....on Krawlers/dual winches/sliders etc. I get on the gas, the detroit locks and the truck drives to the speed of the OUTSIDE tire, making the inside on spin to keep the same speed covering less ground.