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swynx

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So I know enough to generally get stuff working. I couldn't figure out how to get a basic relay to work one time. And I'm sure I know enough to set my truck in fire accidently. There are some lights on my truck that work but are extremely wired wrong. I need to rewire them right. Among some additional stuff I'd like to add.

I've read this.. http://www.therangerstation.com/Magazine/Summer2010/wiring_accessories.htm

fantastic article I learned abit and could definitely use this as a diagram to rewire the lights on the truck and it helped me understand relays. But why stop there. Anyone know any other good articles I could read? Or do they make one of those electrical for dummies books haha
 
I tell you what man, electrical is one of the hardest things to understand on a car because you can't see it, touch it, or take it apart and figure out how it works. I went to class for it, didn't understand it all, and I don't really know how I passed the class.

What did it for me was my power window install. I had to build my own harness, and that was when things really clicked because then I could "see" how it worked.

I'd go rewire the lawn mower first if I were you.
 
Haha. I've got a grasp on the concept its just always almost different for every wiring project. I have a multimeter that I mostly know how to use. Honestly I'm scared to do anything electrical that's not straight forward.

The lights on the truck are from what I know and have looked at are wired correctly, minus a fuse. It has a relay and power isn't coming from the battery itself. But has a shit load of bare wires. I don't think that any electrical connectors or tape was used. Just wres cut and twisted together.

The more wiring I do the more comfortable I feel doing it tho. I've found that tracing wires through the rig and chasing them in wiring diagrams helps to find out how it works.
 
Cutting and twisting wires together is never a good way to do electrical. Especially in the automotive world.

I do use electrical tape from time to time, but I spend the extra and buy the more expensive tape, it is better than the cheap stuff.

When I have to splice wires, I strip them, twist them (for auto work typically one of two fashions for a running splice), solder them together, then cover it with heat shrink tubing (you'll want to put the heat shrink tubing over the wires and slide it out of the way before you twist them together, lol). It makes for a solid, professional looking connection, helps seal the joint, make a positive connection without letting out the "smoke" (anyone who has shorted out a wire knows about the smoke), and protects it from abrasion.

I have more of a general knowledge of electrical than auto-specific, but I have rewired several stereo systems and done a variety of other electrical work to auto, home, and equipment. Doing it right the first time is the key though.
 
My turn signal wasn't working. So I checked the bulb it was fine. Found a splice where the wires were literally made into a hook shape and pinched. Down the frame found another just like it. And then where the splice to the front blinker was made he just barely skinned half the wire and wrapped it around. Its shit like this that scares me.

I have yet to get a soldering gun or experiment with shrink tubing. But I usually wrap my connections with electrical tape after there pinched together. My favorite thing to use is those twisty things. Those don't make me mad and there reusable

I'm assuming that for wiring most any thing, the article and diagram in the trs mag that i posted above should work, at least as a general guide and reference. Suppose you couldn't over do the amount of fuses you used haha.
 
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Those twist-on connectors are called marrets(pronounced murets most places, lol), and are OK to use but can fall off and are not weather proof, once wires are twisted together put some silicone on them then install marret, that will help hold the marret and weather proof the connection.

Soldering and heat shrink is better and nicer to look at.

Mechanical relays come in many types, but all work on the same principal:
if you send power thru a coil of wire wrapped around a metal core, the metal core becomes a magnet.
Inside a relay there will be a coil/core and a metal arm held away from the coil by a spring.
Outside the relay there will be a minimum of 4 connectors, 2 of these are the for the coil.
When power is applied to the coil it becomes a magnet and pulls the metal arm down, when power to the coil is removed the spring pushes the metal arm away from the coil.

So we have an up and down movement on the metal arm, this is why it is called a mechanical relay, and why you hear a "click" when a relay is activated.

In a simple relay there will be a connector on the outside for the metal arm and for a contact point inside that the metal arm touches when it is pulled down, these two connections are the "load" connections, so 2 connections for the coil and 2 for the load.

The load connection is how a relay is rated, a 5amp relay has a large enough arm and contact point to handle 5amps of power passing thru, 10amp relay has larger arm and contact, 30amp even larger.

One of the largest relays on a car/truck is the starter Solenoid, it is a relay on steroids, lol, it works the same as the smaller relays, when key is turned to start, power is sent to Solenoid coil which pulls the contacts closed and the battery is connected directly to the starter motor and lots of amps flow thru.

I mention the solenoid because it is a good example of why relays are used instead of just a switch, after all a relay is just a switch and you need a switch to activate the relay so why double up on switches.

Without using a solenoid(relay) you would have to run that big red battery cable into the dashboard to a 200amp switch and then another big cable from the dashboard to the starter motor, and the cables would have to be even bigger because of the distance.

So relays are used so higher amp circuits can be activated without running large wires all over the vehicle.

They can also be used when you don't want to increase the amperage draw on an existing circuit.
Example of that would be if you wanted to add lights to a vehicle.
Wiring new lights to the existing lighting circuit could blow the fuse for that circuit, the circuits wire size and fuse are set for the number and watts/amps of the factory lights.

The current draw of a relay's coil is minimal, so connecting a relay's coil to an existing light's wire won't overtax the circuit.
Then connecting a new fused 12v wire to the relay's "arm" and the new lights 12v wire to the relay's "contact" will power the new lights when existing lights are turned on, without drawing power from the factory circuit.

Relays also come in multiple "load" configurations, there are still only 2 coil connections, that's the same on all relays.
The relays above are called STSP(single throw single pole), so basically an on/off switch for the load.
There are also DTSP(double throw single pole), these would have two contacts inside for the load, when relay is "off" the arm and 1 contact would be touching(A), when relay is "on" the arm would move to the other contact(B) disconnecting from A.
There would be 5 connectors on this type of relay, 2 for the coil, 1 for the arm and 1 each for A and B
 
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I'm just getting into Rangers. Compared to an old SJ Jeep, I have found the Ranger to be medium terrible. The good thing about the Grand Wag's wiring was that I had a pdf of it. And I could blow up the diagrams to show what to look for. The hard part was finding the stuff in the harness.

Other than replacing some crummy ends in the starter circuit under the hood. and replacing the radio. I haven't had to mess with the Rat's wiring. I crimp stuff and tape the repair with good tape. Soldering is fine if you have the room to work. The same with heat shrink. Yada, yada, yada,

Ever laid out a factory harness section on the floor? The splices are crimped and taped. so are the pin connections in the plugs. Hardly any solder anywhere.

I have a meter and I can use it. I hunt up the wiring diagrams on line. I ponder over them until I know what to look for . Then I set up tests to check for continuity . With the circuit live, you look for voltage. With it dead, you look for ohms. But for basic stuff , you can use a test light, or a battery powered continuity probe.


Whilst I pecked this , Ron D posted.some really good stuff
 
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I'm on the same level as you and am trying to learn more too. Sometimes it helps me to think of the wires as hoses for water, and the water is electricity. The auto battery -ve is where the well pump [or city water] comes in under pressure. You disconnect the -ve cable from the battery, the same as shutting the valve on the well head [or shutting the main valve for city water]. When I'm working on a circuit, I think of water flowing from -ve to +ve, and any restrictions [a kink] such as rust or corrosion, and/or opens [a leak] such as a broken wire under the insulation cause problems. A keyed switch is same as a tap at a sink. Maybe think of a relay as electricity that pulls open the tap for a water main, the similarities start breaking down but this has helped me for simple circuits.
I've also bought some books online for diagnosing auto electrical and they helped some but lack of some basic knowledge is a hindrance for me. I keep trying tho and sometimes I succeed. Maybe try the library before buying.
RangerSVT has a nice article on soldering;
http://www.therangerstation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=140734
I sorta agree with Andy on the crimping IF you have a good crimper and know how to use it. Unfortunately I can remember using sub-par crimpers and I think most home mechanics are using the same as I used to. Hopefully some that are reading this will look into it further and improve.

Good luck,

Richard
 
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I'm just getting into Rangers. Compared to an old SJ Jeep, I have found the Ranger to be medium terrible. The good thing about the Grand Wag's wiring was that I had a pdf of it. And I could blow up the diagrams to show what to look for.

Do you still have the Jeep wiring diagrams? I find I need them for my '84 Grand Waggy.
 
Twist-on connectors have their place..... in house wiring that is. I experimented with them in my early days of working on vehicles and quickly realized that they are bulky, lack waterproofing, easily corrode, and can work themselves loose.

Crimp-ons can be used, but you have to have a good crimping tool. Those cut/crimp/strip tools that everybody sells everywhere are g-a-r-b-a-g-e. Doesn't matter how good you are at using them. I should know, I made that mistake years ago too. I used to use them a lot, they were easy to use, just strip, crimp and done. That is, until I bought a truck that wouldn't start. I traced the problem back to the fuel tank and when I pulled the pump, I discovered that someone had replaced the pump and used.... crimp on splices. Both splices were rolling around in the bottom of the tank.

I got my hands on a far better crimping tool, but still only use it for adding connectors to the ends of wires. For splices I have a soldering iron and a soldering gun, a large spool of rosin core lead-free solder and a couple 100' spools of heat-shrink tube. And don't anyone tell me that it's fine as long as there is room to solder, I've done my share of soldering wires inside the dash or in a door. With the right tool and a little care, it can be done.
 
Do you still have the Jeep wiring diagrams? I find I need them for my '84 Grand Waggy.
No , but google Tom Ol' Jeepy Collins good luck
 
Yeah I have yet to go buy a good crimping tool. Every time I try and crimp wires I go through a whole box of crimping stuff. Thus the reason I use twisty things. I knew how to check for ohms. But didn't know about volts. With so many wrong ways to wire something its hard to find someone who actually know what there doing lol. I've seen aftermarket tachs wired to the lights. So the lights always had to be on lmfao.
 

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