James Duff 5.5

[that_one_guy]

Do they still offer this kit? Looked on there site and didnt see it there? Any info would be great. Thanks

 

[4x4junkie]

It's on this page:

http://www.jamesduff.com/newproducts/new_bronco2.asp

 

[BlackBII]

It's on this page:

http://www.jamesduff.com/newproducts/new_bronco2.asp

I love how they stress about not releasing the kit because of radius arm drop brackets, but then they provide you with a regualr drop pitman arm.....silly people. When will they realize that the steering angle is the root of all evil in a lifted TTB??

 

[that_one_guy]

Has anyone used this kit yet? Im really interested in it but would like to see in on a super cab. I just dont want to be ubber tall.

 

[4x4junkie]

I love how they stress about not releasing the kit because of radius arm drop brackets, but then they provide you with a regualr drop pitman arm.....silly people. When will they realize that the steering angle is the root of all evil in a lifted TTB??

lol
Yeah that kit would need Skyjacker's pt# FA600 drop pitman arm for the steering to be anything close to decent.

No one besides Skyjacker seems to make a pitman arm with more than 2" of drop anyway

 

[off_road_junkie21]

i wil be putting it on my truck once i get the cash saved up. i have seen it on my friends ranger and it handled good on are off road. its worth the money u will spend.

 

[that_one_guy]

i wil be putting it on my truck once i get the cash saved up. i have seen it on my friends ranger and it handled good on are off road. its worth the money u will spend.

i figured it would be worth it. it is james duff.

 

[twoll86]

I love how they stress about not releasing the kit because of radius arm drop brackets, but then they provide you with a regualr drop pitman arm.....silly people. When will they realize that the steering angle is the root of all evil in a lifted TTB??

that is be cause they are making a stone crusher kit and they dont what to change the angle because of that

 

[ThatGuy]

that is be cause they are making a stone crusher kit and they dont what to change the angle because of that

Huh? Your statement makes zero sense.

James Duff and StoneCrusher Steering are two completely different companies. It's important not to mislead others when you don't have your facts straight to begin with.

 

[twoll86]

Huh? Your statement makes zero sense.

James Duff and StoneCrusher Steering are two completely different companies. It's important not to mislead others when you don't have your facts straight to begin with.

they are working together to make a kit for the rbv world i deleted the email or i would copy it and post it up for all to read

http://therangerstation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79606&highlight=stonecrusher

here is a thread talking about it kinda

 

[4x4junkie]

Actually at 5.5" lift, even the Stonecrusher kit will work much better if you have the longer SJ #FA600 drop arm.

 

[ThatGuy]

they are working together to make a kit for the rbv world i deleted the email or i would copy it and post it up for all to read

Actually they are not. I might know since I'm the one that has been testing prototypes for both companies. Search for StoneCrusher on here and every picture you find will be of my Explorer. The only pictures Anthony has is of the setup he installed on my Ex.
You can buy a lift from anyone and purchase the SCS by itself. You cannot buy the SCS through JD. If you want it you have to contact SC directly @ stonecrushersteering.com.
JD didn't want to get into the steering game so someone else stepped up and done it. Not downing JD but they had the chance to get in and passed. I understand because of liability but Anthony jumped at the chance and now offers his "off-road" steering that works very well. It is not optimal but it is a big step up. I ran it with 225 lbs/in coils on my TTB and had zero problems, as a matter of fact, it drove very well.

If you don't believe what I say, call JD and ask for a SCS setup. They will tell you to call Anthony.

Junkie,
I would say that a FA600 would be too much drop for a 6" lift and SCS. It was built to use the standard 2" drop pitman arm. That puts the DS pivot point approx. 1" above the pivot bolt and creates a level steering system. Using the FA600 would drop it too low. The only way I could see using the FA600 would be on the Godawful 8" TTB lift.
This is mine sitting on level ground. I believe this is the optimal setup for a 4"-6" lift, anything below 4" should probably use the factory pitman arm otherwise you'd have a "v" effect.

Edited to add:
On Rangers and BIIs the steering is on the bottom of the knuckle. This would be the perfect opportunity to get "hi-steer" by raising to the top of the knuckle. The SCS steering is based on using this setup. Along with raising everything up, it also gives you better steering angles.

 

[twoll86]

Actually they are not. I might know since I'm the one that has been testing prototypes for both companies. Search for StoneCrusher on here and every picture you find will be of my Explorer. The only pictures Anthony has is of the setup he installed on my Ex.
You can buy a lift from anyone and purchase the SCS by itself. You cannot buy the SCS through JD. If you want it you have to contact SC directly @ stonecrushersteering.com.
JD didn't want to get into the steering game so someone else stepped up and done it. Not downing JD but they had the chance to get in and passed. I understand because of liability but Anthony jumped at the chance and now offers his "off-road" steering that works very well. It is not optimal but it is a big step up. I ran it with 225 lbs/in coils on my TTB and had zero problems, as a matter of fact, it drove very well.

If you don't believe what I say, call JD and ask for a SCS setup. They will tell you to call Anthony.

Junkie,
I would say that a FA600 would be too much drop for a 6" lift and SCS. It was built to use the standard 2" drop pitman arm. That puts the DS pivot point approx. 1" above the pivot bolt and creates a level steering system. Using the FA600 would drop it too low. The only way I could see using the FA600 would be on the Godawful 8" TTB lift.
This is mine sitting on level ground. I believe this is the optimal setup for a 4"-6" lift, anything below 4" should probably use the factory pitman arm otherwise you'd have a "v" effect.

Edited to add:
On Rangers and BIIs the steering is on the bottom of the knuckle. This would be the perfect opportunity to get "hi-steer" by raising to the top of the knuckle. The SCS steering is based on using this setup. Along with raising everything up, it also gives you better steering angles.

ok i was mistaken maybe a read the email wrong because i contacted JD and they said SCS had one in the works i assumed that it was in cohoots with them. sorry for the improper statement.
how much is that kit goin to run

 

[bonedoc]

That Guy is correct, they are two completely different companies. I had spoken to Thomas at James Duff when I asking him about the 5.5 inch kit and asked about any steering issues or complaints and he told me about the Stone Crusher set up and then gave me the info to contact Anthony. Speaking to Anthony, his steering kit is hands down above and beyond anything currently available. He has only used a standard drop pitman arm with his steering kit and had exceptional results. This is probaly because of the pivot points for the tie rods, particularly the driver's side beam. The pivot point is no right in front of the driver's side beam drop bracket. As well as the fact that the tie rods mount on the top instead of the bottom. Dang...who thought it would take 20 years for someone to design a steering kit that works?

 

[4x4junkie]

Edited to add:
On Rangers and BIIs the steering is on the bottom of the knuckle. This would be the perfect opportunity to get "hi-steer" by raising to the top of the knuckle. The SCS steering is based on using this setup. Along with raising everything up, it also gives you better steering angles.

No you're thinking of F-150s. RBVs do have the steering already on top of the knuckles factory.

Reason I suggested the FA600 arm is you still have some disparity between the pitman arm and the axle pivots (4" on a typical 6" lift). I would think this is plenty enough to notice some bumpsteer, but not actually having driven with the SCS setup yet, I can't say as to how bad it would be (you didn't notice any bumpsteer on yours at all?).