Is this anybody here?!?!?

[Brain75]

I too face the problem with my name being shared, and it isn't even a common John Smith. My last name is a Dutch mouthful that nobody pronounces right and everybody asks 5 times for me to spell it. The 3 people with that name 1 in Colorado (me) 1 in New York City, and 1 in Amsterdam... and those are the three with the same first, the same last and the same middle initial even. Drop the middle initial and I bet there are a dozen.

I'll also say the big reason why we see people treating officers poorly is two fold. A) it's a product of their upbringing B) officers are getting a bad rap because there are a lot more bad officers out there.
I'll expand on that. Ever heard of "Two per thousand". It is a little law that Detroit experimented with that the city passed which says for every 1000 citizens of the city the metro police force is to hire 2 officers. It was a 'minimum staffing' initiative. Here's the rub though, until they get "full staffing" penalties were inflicted (like budget cuts)... which means the force keeps bad cops on just as warm bodies to keep the numbers up. Detroit abandoned it, declared it a horrible idea leading to bad cops.

The city I worked for, Aurora Colorado, did and still does to the best of my knowledge have a 2 per 1000 law.
The net effect, the cops can't be fired, no matter how bad their behavior not even if they kill someone, unless it is national news, they stay on the force. Which means cops know they are Teflon and suddenly they act like they are their own private little gods.
Not saying every city that has tried it has had this experience - Aurora CO certainly has.
I have seen some of that Teflon Cop attitude leech out into neighboring forces (Adams County SO, etc). Ultimately it was probably 50% of the reason why I left that area. I didn't live in Aurora, but driving through it I cringed and tried to stay on the interstate away from city police as much as possible.
It's my understanding that Aurora CO was one of the big 5 cities that came up during BLM riots on national news... well now you know the other side of the story - the cops have been acting terrible for years and the citizens finally found the voice to say something. (I wasn't in CO during BLM, I was in Austin TX).

I'd also like to thank everyone who commented. I am glad to see intellectual discourse without emotions. Thanks for keeping it thoughtful and civil.
And a double thank you to Josh, I appreciate someone local explaining more about the locale. I was hoping you or someone might give us the low down on the local details.

Seems that here where I am construction never sleeps, lights on generators and 24x7 operations for 3 years straight on one tiny little bridge replacement.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

I too face the problem with my name being shared, and it isn't even a common John Smith. My last name is a Dutch mouthful that nobody pronounces right and everybody asks 5 times for me to spell it. The 3 people with that name 1 in Colorado (me) 1 in New York City, and 1 in Amsterdam... and those are the three with the same first, the same last and the same middle initial even. Drop the middle initial and I bet there are a dozen.

I'll also say the big reason why we see people treating officers poorly is two fold. A) it's a product of their upbringing B) officers are getting a bad rap because there are a lot more bad officers out there.
I'll expand on that. Ever heard of "Two per thousand". It is a little law that Detroit experimented with that the city passed which says for every 1000 citizens of the city the metro police force is to hire 2 officers. It was a 'minimum staffing' initiative. Here's the rub though, until they get "full staffing" penalties were inflicted (like budget cuts)... which means the force keeps bad cops on just as warm bodies to keep the numbers up. Detroit abandoned it, declared it a horrible idea leading to bad cops.

The city I worked for, Aurora Colorado, did and still does to the best of my knowledge have a 2 per 1000 law.
The net effect, the cops can't be fired, no matter how bad their behavior not even if they kill someone, unless it is national news, they stay on the force. Which means cops know they are Teflon and suddenly they act like they are their own private little gods.
Not saying every city that has tried it has had this experience - Aurora CO certainly has.
I have seen some of that Teflon Cop attitude leech out into neighboring forces (Adams County SO, etc). Ultimately it was probably 50% of the reason why I left that area. I didn't live in Aurora, but driving through it I cringed and tried to stay on the interstate away from city police as much as possible.
It's my understanding that Aurora CO was one of the big 5 cities that came up during BLM riots on national news... well now you know the other side of the story - the cops have been acting terrible for years and the citizens finally found the voice to say something. (I wasn't in CO during BLM, I was in Austin TX).

I'd also like to thank everyone who commented. I am glad to see intellectual discourse without emotions. Thanks for keeping it thoughtful and civil.
And a double thank you to Josh, I appreciate someone local explaining more about the locale. I was hoping you or someone might give us the low down on the local details.

Seems that here where I am construction never sleeps, lights on generators and 24x7 operations for 3 years straight on one tiny little bridge replacement.

That is one neat thing about living in a small town, its easy to keep track of who is who. They are not just random people sitting on high like they would be in a larger community.

 

[lil_Blue_Ford]

It certainly is a two-fold problem when it comes to police. They get a lot of attitude from people who were either raised to hate on cops or they got pushed that way from bad experiences. Add in some Teflon Cops with an attitude that they can do whatever they please and it’s a recipe for disaster.

I have had both good and not so good experiences over the years. Unfortunately even living in a smaller rural community we have a local cop with a power trip issue. It leaves a bad taste. They don’t have enough officers as it is though and like a lot of local police forces around the area, ours has partnered with a couple neighboring townships to pool their police forces. So response times get slower and you don’t know who might show up. That complicates things. It’s a mess of problems.

I also know that around here they have either put in place policies that have literally got people killed or the judges refuse to properly punish people and both drive away good officers.

 

[Rick W]

Cold but cordial. Better to do that and be cooperative, then let the court sort things out later if necessary.

That’s fine with me. I am not meaning to say that the cops are infallible, and that every one of them is an angel. There are a few bad apples in everything, Lord knows there’s a camera on everything everybody does these days, and the bad apple should be weeded out and treated appropriately

To the point of this chase, and any interaction with the police or other people in authority at any moment. People need to be polite and calm and respectful, and follow the orders of the person in charge, until the situation is diffused. Period. Resistance? It’s another way to say breaking the law.

I don’t know the specific area of the highway you do, but I I’ve driven up and down those roads on a regular basis over 40+ years. The other thought I had on this situation, that folks outside the area may not know, is that 75 and that area is a huge, huge huge drug trafficking corridor. A lot of times when people run for seemingly no reason it’s because what they have in their car. Or no license, or no registration or no insurance. I don’t think the police officer just sticks his finger up in the wind and decides who to go after. I think they have experience and they have training of what to look for that may not be right. If they pull out on someone by accident, they can say I’m sorry I’m just trying to keep the area safe. It’s happened to me, and I’m never annoyed, I say thank you for your service

I think you get my meaning.

 

[RobbieD]

IIRC the speed limit is 70 all the way to the Pio Nono exit,

Call me crazy, but why am I thinking that there's no public restrooms at this exit?

 

[JoshT]

Call me crazy, but why am I thinking that there's no public restrooms at this exit?

Because peeing there would be a no no. No pie there either.

FWIW, long time locals actually pronounce it as Pie Nona.

I don't think that many exits have a public restroom, I can't actually confirm about this one as I haven't used that exit or road in many years. By public I think rest stop. Probably is a gas station restroom. Either way, you probably wouldn't want to use it. Likely be better off with an overused port-a-potty at a construction site a few exits further down the interstate after Taco Tuesday crew lunch.

Maybe that's what happened to the truck driver. It was Wednesday, so maybe the after affects (or leftovers) of Taco Tuesday didn't mix well with the alcohol and hit at a very bad time.

 

[SenorNoob]

They decided to ask me multiple choice questions about things associated with me. One was a boat, none of the above was only correct answer since I've never owned one. One was an atv/motorcycle, my 2003 Honda shadow was a choice. One was my mother's age group, I know better than to post that here. One was where my sister lives, not saying that here either. I gave the only correct answers for all questions, yet somehow failed the check. Seems like they are somehow mixing up my information with someone elses and I'd really like to know where they get they sourced their data from so I could get it corr4ected for future, but of course they wouldn't provide any information on that.

Usually that stuff comes from a credit report. As for where THEY get that information, who knows. I've seen things in mine that were blatantly wrong. Even basic, verifiable stuff like employment.

 

[JoshT]

Usually that stuff comes from a credit report. As for where THEY get that information, who knows. I've seen things in mine that were blatantly wrong. Even basic, verifiable stuff like employment.

IIRC according to them it wasn't from a credit report, but from aggregated data. i don't see any of the questions they asked being information contained in a credit report. That was closer to stuff that would be found during a background check. Of course the free credit reports don't seem to include very much, don't even see my employment information in there. Maybe I'm just not reading it right or seeing everything being on my little phone screen.

 

[Brain75]

I actually worked in the credit industry as a back end programmer for a aggregator (Factual Data - they got absorbed by Kroll years ago). All of that data is in the credit file, it is just buried and in a "report" (even an aggregated report) you don't see it.

An aggregator takes the 3 big bureaus data and aggregates it into 1 report blending and de-duping it into a concise format. (So your one bank loan that trans union, equifax, experian all show you as having gets lumped into 1 bank loan not shown 3 times). I am fairly sure there is no other repository that even has all that info. Even social security doesn't "know" all that much about you - they get it from the credit bureaus.

Credit data is used for a WHOLE lot more than credit now a days.
Companies like rent-right will use it for a rental report (talking ignore the credit part just the renting history), criminal check stuff is in there... and the worst part it is basically impossible to get errant stuff off your file. They have me as having a bogus address because someone typoed and put in 7031 first ave instead of 2031 first ave. First ave in that particular town only goes to 3500. 7031 would be in the middle of a corn field! but nope they wont listen, they wont take it off when you file all the correct paperwork and jump through the hoops. The only way to get it off if it is very important is to use one of those "credit scrubbing" companies (shysters if you ask me).. they just bombard the bureaus with requests to remove and keep bombarding em until your event (getting a loan) is over and you go away... doesn't remove it permanently usually.