How much longer will Chrysler last?

[mn_smokeater]

jeep is going to stay around they have been bought and sold and bought and resold several times through out history so even if chrysler hits the fan they will stay around. correct me if im wrong but doesnt ford own part of cummins? and if so ford will more than likely buy the rest after chrysler goes to the sharks

ford has owned stakes in cummins but they sold them and AFIK they current do not have any.

 

[bigcountry]

ahh ok i wasnt sure anymore thanks for the update i had been wondering that for a long time now

 

[The Luigiian]

Chrysler is different from GM and Ford in one fascinating way.

They did everything the major publications always say is the right thing to do. Very little badge-engineering. Even those things that are engineered similarly (Jeep Patriot and Dodge Caliber, Jeep Liberty and Dodge Nitro) have very distinct personalities in terms of capabilities and "vehicle mission" (i.e. what the vehicle is intended to do, whether it is supposed to be an urban runabout or an off-roader.) In other words, Chrysler supposedly did the "good" kind of badge engineering.

Didn't work. Guess it really mostly depends on the quality of the products you build, not the process you use to build them. Chrysler especially was known for unreliable, low quality products so it will die.

I don't care about Chrysler, though. Dodge is also sort of redundant. At this point, the only two brands with any cachet whatsoever are Ram and Jeep, with only die-hard Mopar fans going for the rest.

Why did Fiat separate the full-size Ram pickup from Dodge, just as people are questioning the Dodge brand's longevity? Perhaps because Dodge and Chrysler don't have long to last and Fiat wants to shear off the good meats (Jeep + Ram) and (eventually) substitute its own brands for the smaller vehicles.

Will it work? Maybe, but I doubt it, because of Fiat's overall reputation in the U.S.

So I'm focusing on Jeep alone as the only part that will survive, and I predict Fiat will probably have to sell when it gives up in the U.S. The question is, of course to whom?

I recall that Ford produced a great deal of the original WWII Jeeps. So when does Ford brand get to have the Jeep brand? Ford is a far better match for Jeep than Fiat and Mercedes. Maybe when Fiat fails to live up to the U.S. government's terms it'll give away Jeep to a different company. (Hey, I can dream.)

Ford could use Jeep for just two or three new Jeeps powered by its Ecoboost powertrains (again, dreaming here). I think that if Ford's reputation for quality continues to grow by the time it gets the Jeep brand it could clean up Jeep's reputation for poor reliability and there could finally be a really viable production off-roader on the U.S. market.

Somehow, I think I went crazy for a second while writing this post

 

[Original_Ranger84]

Chrysler is different from GM and Ford in one fascinating way.

They did everything the major publications always say is the right thing to do. Very little badge-engineering. Even those things that are engineered similarly (Jeep Patriot and Dodge Caliber, Jeep Liberty and Dodge Nitro) have very distinct personalities in terms of capabilities and "vehicle mission" (i.e. what the vehicle is intended to do, whether it is supposed to be an urban runabout or an off-roader.) In other words, Chrysler supposedly did the "good" kind of badge engineering.

Didn't work. Guess it really mostly depends on the quality of the products you build, not the process you use to build them. Chrysler especially was known for unreliable, low quality products so it will die.

I don't care about Chrysler, though. Dodge is also sort of redundant. At this point, the only two brands with any cachet whatsoever are Ram and Jeep, with only die-hard Mopar fans going for the rest.

Why did Fiat separate the full-size Ram pickup from Dodge, just as people are questioning the Dodge brand's longevity? Perhaps because Dodge and Chrysler don't have long to last and Fiat wants to shear off the good meats (Jeep + Ram) and (eventually) substitute its own brands for the smaller vehicles.

Will it work? Maybe, but I doubt it, because of Fiat's overall reputation in the U.S.

So I'm focusing on Jeep alone as the only part that will survive, and I predict Fiat will probably have to sell when it gives up in the U.S. The question is, of course to whom?

I recall that Ford produced a great deal of the original WWII Jeeps. So when does Ford brand get to have the Jeep brand? Ford is a far better match for Jeep than Fiat and Mercedes. Maybe when Fiat fails to live up to the U.S. government's terms it'll give away Jeep to a different company. (Hey, I can dream.)

Ford could use Jeep for just two or three new Jeeps powered by its Ecoboost powertrains (again, dreaming here). I think that if Ford's reputation for quality continues to grow by the time it gets the Jeep brand it could clean up Jeep's reputation for poor reliability and there could finally be a really viable production off-roader on the U.S. market.

Somehow, I think I went crazy for a second while writing this post

Lol we sharea similar dream I think...

 

[heptofite]

First off I never like to see any company fold, but if Chrysler goes down, I definitely will not cHry over it.

It has been firmly established by psychologists and criminal profilers that adults who abuse children or have problems with violence often began by abusing animals. Not only do rodeos abuse animals but those involved in rodeos are often involved in criminal behavior that also defies any regard for human life or the environment we all live in.

Dodge Trucks is guilty of supporting such stupidity at National High School Rodeo Association Rodeos and here in Illinois, Rodeos and Dodge trucks should be burned at the stake for ignoring their own rules and there is much photo evidence of animal abuse at Rodeos. Yet Dodge Trucks blinks and blindly supports this so called sport. Kindness and compassion towards all living beings is a mark of a civilized society. Racism, economic deprivation, dog fighting and cock fighting, bullfighting and rodeos are all cut from the same defective fabric: violence.

But yet Dodge Trucks sponsors these "cowboys". Anyone who disagrees with the above statement, can I taser/pepper spray you to "perform"?

I don't know which rodeos you've been going to, but i've worked at many a rodeo, and when people are caught being abusive they are kicked out.

 

[Great_Big_Abyss]

Wow, some of the abuse that gets kicked around here on behalf of Dodge Trucks.

My Dad has had fullsize Dodge Trucks ever since '93 when they first came out with the 'new Ram'. They're not actually 'work' vehicles, but he stresses them none-the less, pulling his fifth wheel, his boat, or putting his camper in the bed. And he's never had a real mechanical problem.

Oh, sure, with his latest one (an '03 2500 Hemi), he's had a couple of electrical problems. One time the immobiliser crapped out and he had to have the truck towed to the dealership...where it was covered under warranty. But he's had nothing MAJOR and nothing MECHANICAL break on any of his trucks. And he's only had two incidents with it.

And for all you Ford fan-boys out there, my Ranger needed the U-Joint on the rear diff replaced three years after it left the dealership. Also, the dash light behind my temp and fuel gauge just burned out. Now, I love my Ford, but it seems to me that the vehicle built by Ford is less reliable than the vehicle built by Dodge.

Just saying, is all...

 

[bmacsys]

Chrysler is different from GM and Ford in one fascinating way.

They did everything the major publications always say is the right thing to do. Very little badge-engineering. Even those things that are engineered similarly (Jeep Patriot and Dodge Caliber, Jeep Liberty and Dodge Nitro) have very distinct personalities in terms of capabilities and "vehicle mission" (i.e. what the vehicle is intended to do, whether it is supposed to be an urban runabout or an off-roader.) In other words, Chrysler supposedly did the "good" kind of badge engineering.

Didn't work. Guess it really mostly depends on the quality of the products you build, not the process you use to build them. Chrysler especially was known for unreliable, low quality products so it will die.

I don't care about Chrysler, though. Dodge is also sort of redundant. At this point, the only two brands with any cachet whatsoever are Ram and Jeep, with only die-hard Mopar fans going for the rest.

Why did Fiat separate the full-size Ram pickup from Dodge, just as people are questioning the Dodge brand's longevity? Perhaps because Dodge and Chrysler don't have long to last and Fiat wants to shear off the good meats (Jeep + Ram) and (eventually) substitute its own brands for the smaller vehicles.

Will it work? Maybe, but I doubt it, because of Fiat's overall reputation in the U.S.

So I'm focusing on Jeep alone as the only part that will survive, and I predict Fiat will probably have to sell when it gives up in the U.S. The question is, of course to whom?

I recall that Ford produced a great deal of the original WWII Jeeps. So when does Ford brand get to have the Jeep brand? Ford is a far better match for Jeep than Fiat and Mercedes. Maybe when Fiat fails to live up to the U.S. government's terms it'll give away Jeep to a different company. (Hey, I can dream.)

Ford could use Jeep for just two or three new Jeeps powered by its Ecoboost powertrains (again, dreaming here). I think that if Ford's reputation for quality continues to grow by the time it gets the Jeep brand it could clean up Jeep's reputation for poor reliability and there could finally be a really viable production off-roader on the U.S. market.

Somehow, I think I went crazy for a second while writing this post

I have a 1999 Wrangler with the 4.0 and it is a great product. Reliable, simple to work on. I think the newer vehicles are more complex electronically. I think the four door Jeep is a total waste. It defeats the purpose imho. I do think the Jeep brand has some value. Chrysler and Dodge are now relegated to a small niche at vest. Fiat, the name makes me shudder. My dad had one in the late 1970's and the floor rotted out soon thereafter.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

I recall that Ford produced a great deal of the original WWII Jeeps. So when does Ford brand get to have the Jeep brand? Ford is a far better match for Jeep than Fiat and Mercedes. Maybe when Fiat fails to live up to the U.S. government's terms it'll give away Jeep to a different company. (Hey, I can dream.)

Ford could use Jeep for just two or three new Jeeps powered by its Ecoboost powertrains (again, dreaming here). I think that if Ford's reputation for quality continues to grow by the time it gets the Jeep brand it could clean up Jeep's reputation for poor reliability and there could finally be a really viable production off-roader on the U.S. market.

Somehow, I think I went crazy for a second while writing this post

Yeah, actually the grille that they are so proud of now was actually designed by Ford to be all around simpler than the original during the war, Ford wanted the brand after the war, and part of Willy's agreement was to change the number of slots in the grille to keep the breed. I am not that superstitous of a person, but I do think that Jeep may be a cursed name. Bantom, Willy's Overland, AMC, Chrysler, and Diamler Chrysler have all failed... and they all made Jeep. I love them, but it seems whoever owns them is not around long.

And for all you Ford fan-boys out there, my Ranger needed the U-Joint on the rear diff replaced three years after it left the dealership. Also, the dash light behind my temp and fuel gauge just burned out. Now, I love my Ford, but it seems to me that the vehicle built by Ford is less reliable than the vehicle built by Dodge.

Just saying, is all...

Ford doesn't make light bulbs or U-Joints... they are probably the same brand as those in a Mopar. Either way they are minor things anyway... did it have to be towed in for either occurance?

Regardless of brand... they all break once in awhile.

 

[COPPERHEAD85]

Fellow came into my store the other day,had a 09 3500 Dodge, had already been taken back to the dealer 17 times with problems.

 

[Great_Big_Abyss]

Ford doesn't make light bulbs or U-Joints... they are probably the same brand as those in a Mopar. Either way they are minor things anyway... did it have to be towed in for either occurance?

Regardless of brand... they all break once in awhile.

No, but they could buy better u-joints and light bulbs from a better manufacturer.

My point is that all of this Dodge hatin' has nothing to do with reality. Dodge makes good trucks, as does Ford, as does GM.

Okay, I'll admit, Chrysler cars are crap (I've driven some newer ones, and I DON"T like them) but the Rams are actually pretty damn decent trucks!

And that new Hemi that they're putting in the newest Rams, the one with 390hp... well, some people may think its overkill, but I've test-driven the newest Ram with the more powerful Hemi, and let me tell you, that power is addictive!!!

 

[Roger]

Nobody uses Dodge trucks as work trucks. F series trucks dominate. Chrysler needs to sell some cars to remain viable. They sell very few cars compared to any other of the big car companies.

I wouldn't say that. We have a good mix of the big 3 for work trucks out here. I drive a 2008 Dodge 1 ton 4x4 dually, service body truck. Most of our trucks are service body trucks. We carry 12,000 pound winches on a some of them and use them all about equal. Place my son works has a pair of Dodge 4500 trucks for pulling loads....

I'll add that so far none of our Dodges have been in the shop for other than routine service, but our Chevys seem to have wiring issues. And, we use these trucks in deserts and mountain terrain.

 

[rusty ol ranger]

Oilpatch....are you serious?

Are you a vegitarian to? I sure hope so becuase the conditions food livestock are kept in are much worse then the treatment seen by any rodeo animal.

later,
Dustin

 

[mentalbreakdown00]

IMHO cummins are great, but the trucks they are in fall apart around them waay to soon

 

[Ozwynn]

Oilpatch....are you serious?

Are you a vegitarian to? I sure hope so becuase the conditions food livestock are kept in are much worse then the treatment seen by any rodeo animal.

later,
Dustin

not just a vegetarian...... but also a Vegan ..... Have you seen the way Dairy cows are treated?......

I am not a vegan (or a vegetarian) but I used to work on a dairy and now almost 20 years later I sometimes still gag when I drink milk.

 

[Black_Splash]

the rumors suggest that Dodge (Fiat) is going to drop the Cummins in favor of a Fiat designed, Iveco produced diesel engine.

Doesn't Fiat own International? Maybe they'll stick one of those in since Ford doesn't anymore.