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hood scoop intake induction?


i would agree with wicked. the busa, sucks in air at way higher rpm than a 2.3! thus, ram air would help more on a high rpm motor. a 2.3 redlines at what 6000rpm?(idk). ram air works by pressure, not really much to do with cold air. when you open up an intake you are actually making less pressure. the factory air box (at least on a low performance engine, i.e. 2.3) will usually make more pressure. take the bullit mustang, hood scoop doenst add hp because of cold air, it adds hp because of pressure at high speed.
 
You have a supercharger on what, and what type blower????:)shady

The supercharger is sitting in my room waiting for warmer weather.
Its gonna go on the 4.0L that i have to put in my 87.
The charger is an eaton m62 from an 02 xterra.
I originally was gonna turbo my 2.9L, but its pretty high in miles and i don't think it would last very long.
The 2.9L has been giving me problems and i could certainly use the extra torque.
 
i would agree with wicked. the busa, sucks in air at way higher rpm than a 2.3! thus, ram air would help more on a high rpm motor. a 2.3 redlines at what 6000rpm?(idk). ram air works by pressure, not really much to do with cold air. when you open up an intake you are actually making less pressure. the factory air box (at least on a low performance engine, i.e. 2.3) will usually make more pressure. take the bullit mustang, hood scoop doenst add hp because of cold air, it adds hp because of pressure at high speed.
Read the links I posted, and you will see where you need to adjust your thinking just a tad.:)shady
 
I will admit to my wrong teachings. I will be honest, I am a bit confused. Shadetree, I've read over your links. Physics has always intrigued me. It is clear now how much kinetic energy is needed to create any sizable pressure. Since the mass of the molecules are a constant, then in order to increase the kinetic energy stored in each molecule, we must increase speed. So, as each molecule increases in speed, so does its "punch" (when the molecule transfers its energy to another mass). The problem is, that each molecule needs to have enough kinetic energy stored so that it compresses the air molecules in which it collides with. According to Shadetree's articles, the molecules will have to travel about 300mph in order to store enough energy to compress the air. So, basically we need to either increase the speed of the molecules to upwards of 300mph (which we are not capable of doing) or increase the mass of each molecule (which we cannot do) so that the molecules will have enough kinetic energy to compress the air in which it collides with, effectively creating static pressure, which will result higher cylinder pressure, which will then allow more fuel to be added, which will make more power.

Sorry for the threadjacking, but something is false somewhere. Because one of my bike magazines (got to dig through the pile to find it) shows a dyno proven 8hp increase. And this isn't because of other mods done to the bike. I clearly remember two dyno graphs. One showing the bike on a dyno running upto redline, giving a base line. Then, applying a rather large fan (like an airboat) to replicate highway speeds. It infact showed an 8hp peak increase. Now, my thinking was, this 1300cc engine is turning 12,000rpm max. Its volumetric efficiency is probably around 90% seeing as it makes 180ish hp. So, during one minute, the engine should be consuming roughly 247 cubic feet of air at 12,000rpm. Now, a Lima 2.3L turning at 5,000rpm with around 70% VE would be consuming about 142 cubic feet per minute. So, my thought process went to conclude that even if the displacement of the 2.3L was greater, the smaller 'busa engine was actually using more air. So, if highway speeds were enough to support an engine requiring 247 cubic feet of air to the tune of 8 additional horsepower, then the ram-air feeding an engine requiring 100 cubic feet of air less should surely see results. I am no way saying I was right to think that, this was just my thought process. This leads me to believe that either my thinking was terribly off, or that the original information presented to me was incorrect. By that, I mean the busa did not actually make 8 more horsepower to begin with. I know the magazine article did not produce the dyno graph. It was supplied from Suzuki Motor Co. and they just printed it. So, maybe there's error in the manufacture's test (because adding 8hp is going to sell many o' busa) But a dyno graph is a dyno graph and it never lies. I would hope Suzuki (or anyone) would not have tampered and givin false information.

On behalf of the lengthy debate... touche
 
Wow this thread turned into a lesson in "air physics" lol interesting to read though :)
 
air intakes are a gimmick wicked is right i had a nice intake on my truck for 2 years and i finally put the stock back on and it feels like i gained 20 horsepower back never again.... but if you want to waste your money on performance parts for an economy truck go ahead just do us a favor and buy a giant scoop, glowlights, racing stripes, fart can exhaust, and a body kit so we can make fun of you.
 
If i were you guys i would just listen to what Wicked has to say. He pretty much knows his shit and what hes talking about. And for the record unless your going 130 on a track that hood scoop wont do shit.

Tlane3546
 
Ah yes, another thread with Wicked_ getting attacked for offering valid and reasonable arguments why something may or may not work. What concerns me is that, along with the explanations as to why CAI/ram-air induction systems are ineffective and unnecessary on these vehicles there are also people who have used them recommending against them (in favor of the factory intake). And still, there are people who refuse to concede that we might have a valid point in discrediting aftermarket, "hot-air" intake products.

I'm amazed at people who tell others to "shut-up and listen to the facts"; they are ironically the most resistant to accepting or even acknowledging different points of view.
 
"Tell people something they know already and they will thank you for it.
Tell them something new and they will hate you for it."
--George Monbiot
 

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