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[mini274]

Ford 302/351 W Roller Cam




In 1994, Ford started using a roller cam in the 351W. It’s a p/n F4TZ-6250-A that can be identified by the "TE" stamped in a repeating pattern on the barrel just behind the distributor gear.

Rebuilder’s survival tip: This cam is unique to the 351W and the 1994 and up 302 truck motors. It is not interchangeable with the 302 H.O. cam (p/n F1ZZ-6250-A), even though it has the Windsor firing order, because the specs are quite different. In fact, the 351W cam has twice as much overlap as the H.O. cam along with differences in timing, lift and duration.

This cam must be used in all the 1994 and later 302 truck motors instead of the F1AZ-6250-C that was used in the earlier 302 roller motors. The firing order for the ‘94 has the 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8 sequence instead of the 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8 sequence that was used in prior years
engine builder mag..

The Ford 5.0 roller block started seeing production in 1985 in the Mustang. There are HO roller engines and non HO roller engines. The block is the same, with no major changes through its production run. If you are looking for a short block or a good used engine to drop in and go, then the '87-'92 5.0 Mustang engine is the best. It has forged pistons with valve reliefs and the higher flowing E7TE "truck" heads on it. The '93 went to hyperutectic pistons (not bad as long as you don't use big blower or nitrous). If you're only looking for a roller block to build from then a non-HO application would work for a starting point.
Modified mustang...


that should cancel the fight here between years

 

[jaymegriffiths]

Ford 302/351 W Roller Cam




In 1994, Ford started using a roller cam in the 351W. It’s a p/n F4TZ-6250-A that can be identified by the "TE" stamped in a repeating pattern on the barrel just behind the distributor gear.

Rebuilder’s survival tip: This cam is unique to the 351W and the 1994 and up 302 truck motors. It is not interchangeable with the 302 H.O. cam (p/n F1ZZ-6250-A), even though it has the Windsor firing order, because the specs are quite different. In fact, the 351W cam has twice as much overlap as the H.O. cam along with differences in timing, lift and duration.

This cam must be used in all the 1994 and later 302 truck motors instead of the F1AZ-6250-C that was used in the earlier 302 roller motors. The firing order for the ‘94 has the 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8 sequence instead of the 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8 sequence that was used in prior years
engine builder mag..

The Ford 5.0 roller block started seeing production in 1985 in the Mustang. There are HO roller engines and non HO roller engines. The block is the same, with no major changes through its production run. If you are looking for a short block or a good used engine to drop in and go, then the '87-'92 5.0 Mustang engine is the best. It has forged pistons with valve reliefs and the higher flowing E7TE "truck" heads on it. The '93 went to hyperutectic pistons (not bad as long as you don't use big blower or nitrous). If you're only looking for a roller block to build from then a non-HO application would work for a starting point.
Modified mustang...


that should cancel the fight here between years

i see i see.
thanks dude
however my engine will be total rebuild and oversized pistons for the stroker kit are necessary so it doens't matter what year of 5.0 i get long as its 86+
and im gonna use a benchtop dyno to choose my cam.
l

 

[baddad457]

Ford 302/351 W Roller Cam




In 1994, Ford started using a roller cam in the 351W. It’s a p/n F4TZ-6250-A that can be identified by the "TE" stamped in a repeating pattern on the barrel just behind the distributor gear.

Rebuilder’s survival tip: This cam is unique to the 351W and the 1994 and up 302 truck motors. It is not interchangeable with the 302 H.O. cam (p/n F1ZZ-6250-A), even though it has the Windsor firing order, because the specs are quite different. In fact, the 351W cam has twice as much overlap as the H.O. cam along with differences in timing, lift and duration.

This cam must be used in all the 1994 and later 302 truck motors instead of the F1AZ-6250-C that was used in the earlier 302 roller motors. The firing order for the ‘94 has the 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8 sequence instead of the 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8 sequence that was used in prior years
engine builder mag..

The Ford 5.0 roller block started seeing production in 1985 in the Mustang. There are HO roller engines and non HO roller engines. The block is the same, with no major changes through its production run. If you are looking for a short block or a good used engine to drop in and go, then the '87-'92 5.0 Mustang engine is the best. It has forged pistons with valve reliefs and the higher flowing E7TE "truck" heads on it. The '93 went to hyperutectic pistons (not bad as long as you don't use big blower or nitrous). If you're only looking for a roller block to build from then a non-HO application would work for a starting point.
Modified mustang...


that should cancel the fight here between years

The F4TE and the HO cam aren't all that different. The F4TE specs like this: 256/266 (advertised duration) .422/.445 lift, 116* LSA, 30* overlap. The HO specs: 276/266 duration, .445/.445 lift, 115.5* LSA, 39* overlap. s you can see, the F4TE has less overlap than the HO cam. And the advice about using the 87-93 HO just because it had forged pistons is moot as these engines are 20 years old now and 99.99% will need to be rebuilt.

 

[jaymegriffiths]

The F4TE and the HO cam aren't all that different. The F4TE specs like this: 256/266 (advertised duration) .422/.445 lift, 116* LSA, 30* overlap. The HO specs: 276/266 duration, .445/.445 lift, 115.5* LSA, 39* overlap. s you can see, the F4TE has less overlap than the HO cam. And the advice about using the 87-93 HO just because it had forged pistons is moot as these engines are 20 years old now and 99.99% will need to be rebuilt.

and im rebuilding regardless.
however for someone planning just a rebuild its interesting

 

[COPPERHEAD85]

If you have the cheese............
http://www.jegs.com/p/World-Products/World-Products-SB-Ford-Man-O-War-Engine-Blocks/758082/10002/-1

Just the name sounds Awesome...........say it with me.......Man-O-War.

 

[baddad457]

I'd love to be able to afford to build one with a 4.125 bore and 3.25 stroke. Maybe I'll win the lottery someday.

 

[RangerSVT]

Ok I won't offer my 2 cents, but I do have something to offer that will benefit you...the transmission, if you decide to go manual, I have a T5 I just got finished upgrading to a WC T5 with 335 first gear. Professionally built with less than 250 miles on it, came out of my mustang, the motor is goin into my ranger, the trans I was gonna keep for another mustang, but if you want it, $600.00 will take it. It is not advertised for sale, but will do awesome with your setup, and is built to handle 450 hp and 550 ft lb torque...Be sure to take lots of pics and do a great build thread, I want to follow this one
SVT

 

[jaymegriffiths]

If you have the cheese............
http://www.jegs.com/p/World-Products/World-Products-SB-Ford-Man-O-War-Engine-Blocks/758082/10002/-1
i have some money but i dont need that.
nor do i wanna dump 3 grand on a block.
leave that to the drag queens

Just the name sounds Awesome...........say it with me.......Man-O-War.

I'd love to be able to afford to build one with a 4.125 bore and 3.25 stroke. Maybe I'll win the lottery someday.

lol wouldn't we all

Ok I won't offer my 2 cents, but I do have something to offer that will benefit you...the transmission, if you decide to go manual, I have a T5 I just got finished upgrading to a WC T5 with 335 first gear. Professionally built with less than 250 miles on it, came out of my mustang, the motor is goin into my ranger, the trans I was gonna keep for another mustang, but if you want it, $600.00 will take it. It is not advertised for sale, but will do awesome with your setup, and is built to handle 450 hp and 550 ft lb torque...Be sure to take lots of pics and do a great build thread, I want to follow this one
SVT

ill think about it. shipping might jack that up considerably and im contemplating a 4wd tranny
sorry for the pause i figured id do some homework before i start, and i need a new dd.
theres a nice 99 f150 5.4 4x4 for 10,000 im thinkin about.
also an 06 ranger fx4 for 13k and an 03 powerstroke for 15k.
we'll see whats still around when my down payment is saved. also, once the new truck is in the drive this ones goin in the shop to have the rearend torn out. im goin to put in an 8.8 with trac lock and 3:73s, as they are cheap and plentiful and easy to replace (bein theres so many around)
plus i think it should be ok to handle my needs.
next im gonna find a good 5 liter. im contemplating putting a stock 302 in til im happy with it (ie everythings workin, get it set in the right spot etc, hooked up) and keep it like that for a lil bit.
while its running with a stocker i want to redo some body work (previous bondo maniac put like 3/16ths layer of bondo on everything)
so im gonna pull the fenders n order replacements, i have a line on some patch panels for the box, pull the dent from my arguement with the poll(the poll won)
etc etc and get it primed. that task will probably bring me back around til summer when i will pull the motor and start the 331 build.
now im gonna throw something out there.
what do you guys think about putting in a 4wd tranny and t case in case i ever wanted to do a 4wd conversion?
seems like a stupid idea or somethin worth thinking about?
is the 4x4 f150 tranny(5spd) a t5 also or something else intirely?
and is np208 strong enough to withstand the power?
i imagine with the truck being way lighter than a f150 it should be easier on the tcase.
maybe some sort of tcase swap to np205 (thought about doubler, not gonna go that crazy)
im not some rediculous good mechanic but im capable of more than basic mechanic work. im hoping this is a learning experience not a nightmare but we'll see. (ie m50 swap, learning experience, camshaft synchronizer, nightmare lol)

 

[RangerSVT]

The T5 has been used and is a popular swap to be used as a 4wd trans...and setting up a 2wd truck with a 4wd trans is not so stupid or out of reach...I'm doing that with my dually, I have a 2wd ZF, and I want to go to auto, but I eventually want to convert it to 4wd, and for right now the tcase will double as an extra low range gear for ultimate pullingAnd I'd go with the NP205, as this is a gear driven case, the 208 is chain drive...
SVT

 

[jaymegriffiths]

The T5 has been used and is a popular swap to be used as a 4wd trans...and setting up a 2wd truck with a 4wd trans is not so stupid or out of reach...I'm doing that with my dually, I have a 2wd ZF, and I want to go to auto, but I eventually want to convert it to 4wd, and for right now the tcase will double as an extra low range gear for ultimate pullingAnd I'd go with the NP205, as this is a gear driven case, the 208 is chain drive...
SVT

yes i knew that but im not sure if i can find a 205 for a reasonable price

 

[RangerSVT]

There's a member that has a couple of them, though shipping might be a bit, he's located in PA 1badexplorer I think is his screen name...
SVT

 

[THE H.P FREAK]

HI!... I'd go 351W. Why spend $3000 for a EAGLE stroker kit to make a 302 into a 347 when you can do the same to a 351W and make it a 408. That's what I did. You can make 500-600H.P on pump gas in N/A trim all day long. Try to use a 69 - 79 351W. They are stronger and have more nickle in the block than the newer blocks.

 

[RangerSVT]

HI!... I'd go 351W. Why spend $3000 for a EAGLE stroker kit to make a 302 into a 347 when you can do the same to a 351W and make it a 408. That's what I did. You can make 500-600H.P on pump gas in N/A trim all day long. Try to use a 69 - 79 351W. They are stronger and have more nickle in the block than the newer blocks.

Ok, I'm not trying to argue the point that a 351W would be a better swap for power wise, but the OP has made it very clear time and time again that he is only interested in a 302, so to all members posting after this reply please do not respond with a different block would be a better swap....Thanks members
SVT

 

[THE H.P FREAK]

HI!... Well I thought I read somewhere that he wanted to stroke it to 347C.I . That's why I posted. Why spend the money to stroke a 302 to 347 when you can get another 61C.i for the same price. Makes sense to me.

 

[RangerSVT]

Yeah, he's looking at the idea of goin 331, he doesn't like the 347's short skirts on the pistons....but yeah, a 351 would do more power with less $$, but he wants to stay 302 no matter the cost...Just the clarification I was doing
SVT