Ford teases the new Bronco

[bobbywalter]

i have had the opportunity or privilege in some cases, to operate brand new pimp ifs/irs grand jeeps and land/range rovers and even honda ridglines out west over the years..

and was awed by the capacity with stupid car tires on them. now...dont take that the wrong way...we were not going to run down the trails i consider fun with one...you would need 37-40 in tires to do that...

but for what they can do over a normal 79 f150...the greatest truck ever made in my tiny little mind...which is my benchmark...in low tractive climb conditions is simply awesome. add lockers to the 79 and its close but these traction systems in their element are unmatched by my physical ability.




unlike all sorts of competition events and just radical trail adventure with custom vehicles...these...granted high end stock vehicles are astounding... my current explorer has all of this shit on it and its not as good as the lr but damn close..about the same or better then the video i am posting.


and remember i have been using manual brake bias for decades...






these two dip shits dont know anything....which makes it perfect.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1uVeZIRv3w



this one is real good...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1_1SQSfhcg



i think you should go show them how to drive to the top of that with your 2wd 77 rusty.


i know i would have left a bit more of a mark in my pos ranger....trying to tread lightly no less.

i cants out brakes a puter....


i would love to add the system to my truck....


but it would take the fun out of breaking shit all of the time....thats still fun i think...

 

[rusty ol ranger]

Ok....

I watched the videos now im gonna break them down..

1st video.
1- Kid is way to concerned with his damn trailer hitch.
2- He coulda made that hill in 4wd had he actually used the throttle.
3- Could i climb it in my 77? It wouldnt of looked as pretty but if ida hit it at 20mph and kept throttle on as i came to the hill to keep momentum (or, alternativly, put about 7-800lbs of stuff in the bed)...youbetcha. In a 4wd 79? No start needed, lock her in a give er hell.

2nd video...
1- That sand was impressive. I will say it worked well in that situation...but...had i gone out with my 77 or another old truck...you never wheel alone.

2- The trail portion? I coulda got the 77 over those rocks, no doubt. Never underestimate a determined redneck in a late 70s ford. Granted, like the hill, it wouldnt of been as pretty or precise, but all means to an end. Same thing for an old 4wd Ford. Wouldnt of done it as pretty, but it woulda done it.

3- The rest of the trail that they showed atleast? Pfft my wifes 2wd escape could traverse that.

Plus, its easy to add "crawl control" to any truck. Its called a winch.

 

[Bird76Mojo]

Crawl control in older trucks = 4x4 low





GB

 

[bobbywalter]

this bronco will be capable in ways nothing before were. its that simple.

Ok....

I watched the videos now im gonna break them down..

1st video.
1- Kid is way to concerned with his damn trailer hitch.
2- He coulda made that hill in 4wd had he actually used the throttle.
3- Could i climb it in my 77? It wouldnt of looked as pretty but if ida hit it at 20mph and kept throttle on as i came to the hill to keep momentum (or, alternativly, put about 7-800lbs of stuff in the bed)...youbetcha. In a 4wd 79? No start needed, lock her in a give er hell.

the system does what you cant....treads lightly.

ok.

so i read that as you have no way to scale those realities.

that is over 30 degrees...confident the gauge they had was maxed out. i scaled it at 33-38 in the middle. pussy didnt trust the crawl control to go down the hill...oh..the irony. that alone puts it over 30 due to pucker factor..



a 77 2wd with non paddle tires on 70's power making it up that hill? not betting on it....you might roll over from the bounce from doing a 20 mph start. or a rolling hit with 800 pounds in the bed would tweak..possibly break the frame.

at least there was a straight run to get a rolling start....a lone hill in the middle of a field isnt the point of the excercise...its an example of the tech....

how about if that was a turn in a valley.?.? after a muddy creek... that is what crawl control is for...real shit. stuff you will never see in a regular truck...sure as fawk no 2wd. so i see where maybe your limited.

its a stout hill, look at the approach, more then it looks like to you. cameras dont do justice to things like this. i remember seeing things on tv and thinking or wondering why shit was so difficult....then i went there...and it all became self evident. and i didnt make it either. that TuRD is rated at 35 deg. so the hitch digging confirms to me whats up.


79 4wd stock, dead start...just trench. even with non stock awesome tires you would have to roll start. and maybe by the 3rd time possibly the second...if the carb didnt bobble out on you...would have made the top...and trenched the fawk out of it and probably one more back down to crest it..

while doing that....at any point blowing a 760 shaft to hell is always an option. even going straight.

i am very versed in hammer down. and blowing 760 shafts to hell climbing straight up sand hills.

2nd video...
1- That sand was impressive. I will say it worked well in that situation...but...had i gone out with my 77 or another old truck...you never wheel alone.

glad you were impressed.

i wheel alone...and have paid dearly for it. i have wheeled and groups and we were all stuck....very costly. i get stuck all the time...i get out all the time. the challenges of those situations is where my education comes from. people have been killed at some of these events. one not far from your area.

2- The trail portion? I coulda got the 77 over those rocks, no doubt. Never underestimate a determined redneck in a late 70s ford. Granted, like the hill, it wouldnt of been as pretty or precise, but all means to an end. Same thing for an old 4wd Ford. Wouldnt of done it as pretty, but it woulda done it.

well...i have run that very trail/road....in a stock except for a rear lockright...78 bronco on 33 at's....400 with a hand shaker...no lift either.. your right...eats it right up. but it is always changing with weather. but... bronco is boss. with this crawl control system that bronco would probably do back door and resolution....things it can not do stock...or even with lockers. and hell with a winch.

3- The rest of the trail that they showed atleast? Pfft my wifes 2wd escape could traverse that.

Plus, its easy to add "crawl control" to any truck. Its called a winch.

if i could have stopped the video there i would... should have noted the time on it and mentioned it so you did not have to be tortured by the rest of it...sorry....

its mostly an access type road...regardless, cameras do not do any of that stuff justice. that video was just to demonstrate what it was capable of in the sand hill...purposely buriedto the axles and framed no less...

...i would not have backed out of the sand....but the truck can on its own. wow.

winch is a necessity....at the same time...fawk a winch...i use it too much...i janked mine up again and it keeps me from wandering around now when i can...cause i know its needed.


seriously..
i hope its just lack of experience of actual challenging situations that drives your ideas.

you run the hammers or disney or rausch creek...even wellsville......i dont think you will maintain your position.


you seem frequent bundy..thats what...4-500 acres??....i bet you a case of your favorite you cant follow me through my chosen path. if i dont clog it up too bad getting stuck...cause i do get stuck quite a bit.

i cant see you climbing the big hill there in 2wd 77 and open diff. or have you already...???

i would be willing to come watch though. i did see a cherokee make it..so maybe i am wrong. it would be easier then the two moobz in the first videos hill.



more easily done. we can set up a course...or get some proving....PROVING ground access. gather some various vehicles and see what goes.


my money on the roller ramp will be on the new trucks. cant see one wheel peel or regular 4x4 making that. (ice simulator)

getting in there with private vehicles is probably impossible though.

 

[bobbywalter]

or we could just try 85's back yard.....go look at those pics.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

or we could just try 85's back yard.....go look at those pics.

FYI I used "crawl control" to blade out that drift with the tractor... aka differential brakes. More for steering than traction that night but I use them for traction too.

Deadman throttle and step on the spinning tire (or direction I want to go).

I marched thru the drift that stuck the truck with the front tires plowing snow and bumping the left brake to make the turn.

 

[bobbywalter]

i assumed that via your original description... i have been rescued many times by the same style machine and ones just like it. got to love them things. and respect them.



i use brake bias too. just not as good as a puter.

 

[rusty ol ranger]

this bronco will be capable in ways nothing before were. its that simple.





the system does what you cant....treads lightly.

ok.

so i read that as you have no way to scale those realities.

that is over 30 degrees...confident the gauge they had was maxed out. i scaled it at 33-38 in the middle. pussy didnt trust the crawl control to go down the hill...oh..the irony. that alone puts it over 30 due to pucker factor..



a 77 2wd with non paddle tires on 70's power making it up that hill? not betting on it....you might roll over from the bounce from doing a 20 mph start. or a rolling hit with 800 pounds in the bed would tweak..possibly break the frame.

at least there was a straight run to get a rolling start....a lone hill in the middle of a field isnt the point of the excercise...its an example of the tech....

how about if that was a turn in a valley.?.? after a muddy creek... that is what crawl control is for...real shit. stuff you will never see in a regular truck...sure as fawk no 2wd. so i see where maybe your limited.

its a stout hill, look at the approach, more then it looks like to you. cameras dont do justice to things like this. i remember seeing things on tv and thinking or wondering why shit was so difficult....then i went there...and it all became self evident. and i didnt make it either. that TuRD is rated at 35 deg. so the hitch digging confirms to me whats up.


79 4wd stock, dead start...just trench. even with non stock awesome tires you would have to roll start. and maybe by the 3rd time possibly the second...if the carb didnt bobble out on you...would have made the top...and trenched the fawk out of it and probably one more back down to crest it..

while doing that....at any point blowing a 760 shaft to hell is always an option. even going straight.

i am very versed in hammer down. and blowing 760 shafts to hell climbing straight up sand hills.






glad you were impressed.

i wheel alone...and have paid dearly for it. i have wheeled and groups and we were all stuck....very costly. i get stuck all the time...i get out all the time. the challenges of those situations is where my education comes from. people have been killed at some of these events. one not far from your area.






well...i have run that very trail/road....in a stock except for a rear lockright...78 bronco on 33 at's....400 with a hand shaker...no lift either.. your right...eats it right up. but it is always changing with weather. but... bronco is boss. with this crawl control system that bronco would probably do back door and resolution....things it can not do stock...or even with lockers. and hell with a winch.



if i could have stopped the video there i would... should have noted the time on it and mentioned it so you did not have to be tortured by the rest of it...sorry....

its mostly an access type road...regardless, cameras do not do any of that stuff justice. that video was just to demonstrate what it was capable of in the sand hill...purposely buriedto the axles and framed no less...

...i would not have backed out of the sand....but the truck can on its own. wow.

winch is a necessity....at the same time...fawk a winch...i use it too much...i janked mine up again and it keeps me from wandering around now when i can...cause i know its needed.


seriously..
i hope its just lack of experience of actual challenging situations that drives your ideas.

you run the hammers or disney or rausch creek...even wellsville......i dont think you will maintain your position.


you seem frequent bundy..thats what...4-500 acres??....i bet you a case of your favorite you cant follow me through my chosen path. if i dont clog it up too bad getting stuck...cause i do get stuck quite a bit.

i cant see you climbing the big hill there in 2wd 77 and open diff. or have you already...???

i would be willing to come watch though. i did see a cherokee make it..so maybe i am wrong. it would be easier then the two moobz in the first videos hill.



more easily done. we can set up a course...or get some proving....PROVING ground access. gather some various vehicles and see what goes.


my money on the roller ramp will be on the new trucks. cant see one wheel peel or regular 4x4 making that. (ice simulator)

getting in there with private vehicles is probably impossible though.

You seem to think im out wheelin my 77 every weekend. Lol. No not the case. Ive just taken it a few times to bundy and played around, nothin to crazy. Ive kinda moved away from trucks and more towards ATVS, cheaper and eaiser to fix.

Ive wheeled in some pretty shittg stuff, but youre right, not in the 77 so my guesses at capability were just that, guesses. But i do believe that hill was doable and i stand by my words. The hill at bundy is all pea gravel and alot longer and flattens out toward the middle. No way id try that with a 2wd. That hill in the video, while steep, wasnt any worse ground wise then a fresh graded gravel road.

A 2150 could handle that angle, and with 7-800 lbs on a 3/4ton youd be in no danger of breaking the frame.

 

[bobbywalter]

yeah i hear ya there...four wheelers can be cheaper. but not always.




i think that video is fooling your eyes...


my math could be off....but slamming a truck at 20 mph with maybe a 28-30 degree approach angle...which is not fast enough anyway...into a 50-60 percent grade, is not going to be good. with a 800 pound load, that load may squash you...but likely fold up an old 250 like a cheap lawn chair.

i have seen that more then once too.


i had the run at 85 feet...so its short. 65 of that is well over 30 degrees though.

it is a gentle 28 deg or so transition i suppose...but then it gets right close to angle of repose from there.

its actually the vegetation that will limit the traction initially...once its trail i see the odds getting better.

35 degrees on grass is hard to do. i might pay to watch it.

 

[rusty ol ranger]

yeah i hear ya there...four wheelers can be cheaper. but not always.




i think that video is fooling your eyes...


my math could be off....but slamming a truck at 20 mph with maybe a 28-30 degree approach angle...which is not fast enough anyway...into a 50-60 percent grade, is not going to be good. with a 800 pound load, that load may squash you...but likely fold up an old 250 like a cheap lawn chair.

i have seen that more then once too.


i had the run at 85 feet...so its short. 65 of that is well over 30 degrees though.

it is a gentle 28 deg or so transition i suppose...but then it gets right close to angle of repose from there.

its actually the vegetation that will limit the traction initially...once its trail i see the odds getting better.

35 degrees on grass is hard to do. i might pay to watch it.

I didnt take into consideration the initial slam. But if it was something ratchet strapped behind the rear axle....it wouldnt scare me a bit. Them old frames are damn stouter then what people give them credit for. Ive never seen a ford frame fail (except in 97-03 150s mainly due to rot, and one 1st gen ranger at a tough truck).

Your allmighty raptor though....has a reputation for it

Quads are cheaper, ive basically had to rebuild the whole suspension/CV/4wd on my 01 sportsman and im still barely north of 500 bucks. Try doing that with a pickup

Although my damn 4wd still dont work...may have to bite the bullet and take it in....


BTW bobby, watch this....how steep you think that last hill is? .

https://youtu.be/KFwPXEeJ3aI.

Granted its rock....but still. If that vic did that...im 99% sure my 250 can make that dirt hill.

 

[bobbywalter]

thats an old video. and a road for this comparative...and prepped from all the fat tire rigs. i have drove around there a few times. suburus galore.

theres a few places the traction control will help...but tire burn is all you need there.

hell...the rubicon is a county road too. wont see in cars on it though.





those guys dont know what mud is out there....and 40-50-60 year old trucks are easy to work on with just hand tools and no torches...everything just comes apart. very jealous of that.



i have seen lots of trucks fail...mine is getting there....

just like a cheap tent or lawn chair. and lots of old fords.

thus the concern.

 

[2002edgeplussupercab]

The new Jeep truck is gonna take away most of the Ranger and Bronco hoopla and eat into the sales. Also, GM has a new Blazer out already.

 

[bobbywalter]

maybe.

they were not too concerned about it at the debut....i was.


it was no secret and in the works before the blue oval decided to return to the market....its why the zr2 has front and rear lockers and the toy and ford have the ridiculous trail nanny which is cool.




of course the jeep will have all of that and a trac bar bracket that falls off..

and that failed trac bar bracket is better then any of that other junk these other trucks have....





but not likely to steal the thunder....just maybe.

do you also have a jeep? because they are not for everybody.

 

[rusty ol ranger]

The new Jeep truck is gonna take away most of the Ranger and Bronco hoopla and eat into the sales. Also, GM has a new Blazer out already.

Have you seen the new blazer? Its a traverse with an even uglier front end.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

The new Jeep truck is gonna take away most of the Ranger and Bronco hoopla and eat into the sales. Also, GM has a new Blazer out already.

Right off the bat is a Jeep so it will be unreliable and expensive.

Wheelbase is an 1" shorter than my standard cab shortbox F-150, not really much shorter than a new F-150.

People wanting a reliable or cheaper truck are out of luck just like the guys wanting a truck for trails.