Fixture concepts and any other usable information

[Terry]

A guy that I work with and myself are going to build our own suspension setups. He has a full size 90 bronco and I have a gen 1 ext two wheel drive ranger that are both almost dead. We both work in engineering and his dad owns the company we work at. I am also a machinist programmer for over 30 years. We have a complete machine shop at our disposal. We are both looking for travel and pre-running setups. I am in the thinking stage of making solid models and assemblies in pro engineer. If I can get enough information I will model the comlete bronco and truck. I don't think that the geometry will be very hard to figure out. I am looking for any ideas and or input.

Thanks
Terry

 

[Terry]

What no takers? We can do this on our own but a little help would be nice.

 

[CopyKat]

What are you specifically looking for from us? the thumbs up approval?

Have at it.

 

[Terry]

No just info as to weather people made their parts from scratch etc... I dont think it looks like a good idea to weld on the stock parts? Other than extending the beams a setting the geometry for the life and length "a little trig" is there a twist in the beams? I am thinking about running heim joints on the radius arms and we are wondering about progressive springs or coil over.

 

[NMB2]

search. you can find just about anything if you look for it on your own instead of waiting for someone to spoon feed you.

 

[Bent Bolt]

No just info as to weather people made their parts from scratch etc... I dont think it looks like a good idea to weld on the stock parts? Other than extending the beams a setting the geometry for the life and length "a little trig" is there a twist in the beams? I am thinking about running heim joints on the radius arms and we are wondering about progressive springs or coil over.

Nothing new there. As been said before , search.

 

[Terry]

Thanks for all the help guys. Im not getting the warm fuzzies here. Have lots of friends up here in gods country that have crawlers but I want to improve what ford designed not build a straight axle like every other truck besides ford. Thanks again.

 

[CopyKat]

I still don't clearly understand what your after? Look up cut and turn i believe is what your wanting to try. It's not a matter of a bunch of trig calculations. There is more to it, and you need to find out some points.

Modeling a truck in full detail is pointless unless you plan to mass market the parts. I just get enough information I need to place the part and make sure it clears everything else. There are manufacturing tollerances that prohibit you from saying this is the perfect setup. Each truck will be slightly different, therefor the parts will not always fit perfect.

If you want information on building pre runners look on racedezert.com or dezertrangers.com. You'll get the same warm fuzzy feeling at those places you get here. Searching goes along way. Your not going to re-invent the wheel with RBV's or Broncos. Somewhere out there it has been done, just need to search for it if you want more information about how it's done.

 

[Terry]

Thanks for the advise. I am on a pc 8 to 14 hours a day. I spend more awake hours modeling and programming for CNC's so I model most of what I work on at home as well as work. I would not model the whole truck at one time. I am on work related forums for software etc and I will look at and post to the question being asked. I learn lots new things from people asking repeat questions. I never tell some to use the search, I feel that it is rude.

 

[NMB2]

I am rude.

 

[Terry]

I can see that.

 

[alwaysFlOoReD]

I've searched for my own project and there is lots of ways to skin this cat. Depends on what you want to accomplish. Perhaps more info about what you want your trucks to do would be in order. Here's a link to a king of the hammers project;
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=829346
Richard

 

[Terry]

Richard,
Thanks for the info, this is what I was looking for. This is what a "public" forum is supposed to be like. Some big dogs should stay on the porch. I have two out of work welders on my block so I am looking for ideas as to weather I should fab and weld of machine from a blank. I plan on going out further in bfe than where I live now and need something that wont break.

 

[CopyKat]

There are a bunch of companies that are doing extended beams and cut and turns. They are not going to give up their information on them. Your best bet is to cut and weld on them.

The TTB beams are stamped steel so you can cut and weld on them to your hearts content. Just not practical to start re-designing a TTBeam. It's bad enough guys don't want to spend the $2500 for the Autofab, camburg or solomotorsports reworked beams. They aren't going to spend big bucks on custom fabbed beams.

The TIB is a different story. Good luck to be competitive with those. Threat Motorsports has that corner marketed, and the quality of parts it top notch.

 

[Terry]

Copycat,

Thats the stuff. I want travel. I live in northern Nevada and thousands of unpaved miles of exploring to do. I am looking to build a trail/street rig that my wife will ride in and not rattle our teeth.