Calling all Utah RBV owners with 5.0/302s!!!!

[Nerdrage88]

I'm doing way too much research on motor swaps/modifying my 88 b2 2.9. The only thing keeping be from doing a v8 swap is EMISSIONS and calling all Utah RBV owners with a v8 in a b2 or similar year ranger that can pass emissions and knows a way that is in compliance.

I really don't want to play with 2.9 or the 4.0 ohv or ohc (though I ham highly considering ohc with a 91-94 computer to keep obd -1) and the few transmission options that fit a said motor that as we all know are the options of those few choices are less then ideal.

So yeah.....according to my papers the max hydrocarbons is 220 at idle and 2500 rpm ( might I add they don't do it on the dyno anymore but as to why they stopped is beyond me (I have heard it's safty thing but driving down the road in said RBV is a risk anyway) but anyway.......

 

[cammeddrz]

Hi, I'm in west valley, for the record emissions tests are done by county, not state. Where are you?

I've done several engine swaps of several varieties.

I've talked to the head of salt lake valley health department who regulates emissions testing. He's a smart guy, and he's seen it all. He said "technically"
engine swaps of any kind are illegal, and not allowed.

. . . Unless it's the exact same engine, from the same model year or newer, with the same miles or less.

He essentially alluded to "better ask forgiveness, than permission" because he won't give permission ahead of time.

But "if you've already done it" you may bring it to the health department's emissions testing station where he is. . .which I've done. He'll look at it, and decide if he'll even put it on the machine and test it-or if he'll condemn your vehicle, and he can.

He said "if you've done an engine swap from a newer year than your vehicle, if you've kept all emissions equipment from the donor vehicle-he has a book to look it up, and if you haven't modified the engine. Then he'll run a sniffer up the tailpipe. He said if you've done a camshaft, he'll kick it out instantly.

But basically, any properly functioning engine from a newer year will have lower emissions than any engine from an older year.

So, a 1989 v8 will have lower emissions than s 1988 4-cylinder.
For this reason, most emissions inspectors just put it on the machine, and see what it does. Because technically no part of the emissions testing procedure is to count spark plug wires, or cylinders. So most swaps-4.0, or V8 just go through without problem because they pass, and the health department never gets involved.

Also, we have an RBV group that meets once a month, talks trucks, eats burgers, plan the occasional trail run, swap parts/ideas, junkyard runs etc.

And I've got a small offroad shop that i own too- https://m.facebook.com/ORIONOFFROAD/?ref=bookmarks

 

[Nerdrage88]

Hi, I'm in west valley, for the record emissions tests are done by county, not state. Where are you?

I've done several engine swaps of several varieties.

I've talked to the head of salt lake valley health department who regulates emissions testing. He's a smart guy, and he's seen it all. He said "technically"
engine swaps of any kind are illegal, and not allowed.

. . . Unless it's the exact same engine, from the same model year or newer, with the same miles or less.

He essentially alluded to "better ask forgiveness, than permission" because he won't give permission ahead of time.

But "if you've already done it" you may bring it to the health department's emissions testing station where he is. . .which I've done. He'll look at it, and decide if he'll even put it on the machine and test it-or if he'll condemn your vehicle, and he can.

He said "if you've done an engine swap from a newer year than your vehicle, if you've kept all emissions equipment from the donor vehicle-he has a book to look it up, and if you haven't modified the engine. Then he'll run a sniffer up the tailpipe. He said if you've done a camshaft, he'll kick it out instantly.

But basically, any properly functioning engine from a newer year will have lower emissions than any engine from an older year.

So, a 1989 v8 will have lower emissions than s 1988 4-cylinder.
For this reason, most emissions inspectors just put it on the machine, and see what it does. Because technically no part of the emissions testing procedure is to count spark plug wires, or cylinders. So most swaps-4.0, or V8 just go through without problem because they pass, and the health department never gets involved.

Also, we have an RBV group that meets once a month, talks trucks, eats burgers, plan the occasional trail run, swap parts/ideas, junkyard runs etc.

And I've got a small offroad shop that i own too- https://m.facebook.com/ORIONOFFROAD/?ref=bookmarks

For the moment West valley. Yes I know its the county that does emissions for said county. given most people live in davis, SL county, weber, and Utah counties do the sniffer (in Utah) I figured I had a good chance I'd get someone in those countries. I had plenty of fun getting my b2 to pass when it came from all the way from Jacksonville NC.

I was hoping I could just do it and hope I can meet the emissions of my b2 with a 5.0 (2.9 currently installed) especially considering I knew someone who had a 97 f350 dump truck with a 460 that's way below even want my b2 is at now (passing as of now plenty of $$$$$ later).

 

[cammeddrz]

Do the 5.0 swap if you want, that's about the widest engine that'll fit without serious hacking/steering shaft relocation etc.

A V8 explorer is a decent starter, since it already has a loy of what you'll need, like the super-weird 5.0 exhaust that clears etc.

And your buddy's 460 has lower emissions for the reason i listed before. . .it's newer

 

[Nerdrage88]

Looks like I know what I'm going to buy for a parts vehicle. Ikd when because I have big plans in the future.

 

[Nerdrage88]

I'm still back and forth. Part of me wants to swap the motor but part of me wants to keep the 2.9 and just making it work and maybe try to get some reasonable power and keep up the maintenance as best as I can snd hope that the problems will be midigated. I mean is it really that bad if it's taken care of properly.