byrons "ranger#1" 4x4 long travel build up

[Ranger#1]

Yes.

A stitch weld is created by the welder running a bead and pulling it towards him. You jump out of the weld and back up the torch. This keeps the heat more consistent across the surface and heads off warping when using thing gauge steel. The weld looks like a tipped stack of dimes.

that is an off and on style i dont do that

1. You are also a kid...
2. It doesn't sound like you really do either.
3. If it were my ass on the line, my foremost priority would be a strong weld, not a goofy-looking "aesthetically pleasing" weld.
4. I don't think your welds are aesthetically pleasing.

look elsewhere

If you think looks are more important than strength, then you need to look for a new line of work. You are building suspension components for a crowd that plans to beet the living snot out of their rig and keep on truckin. Any vehicle that will intentionally see some air time, needs to have a suspension that has welds that are more than just aesthetically pleasing. If I was running a fab shop, and one of my fabricators said that looks are more important that strength he wouldnt be working for me anymore.




Then educate them. Dont take advantage of their ignorance.

-PlumCrazy

ok who said all i care about is looks a good design should have both and they should complement each other

looks arent everything you know, function and durabilty are at the top of my list, if it looks like shit but functions great and is strong i could care less

well i do

heck no Bray....this was totally toward's Ranger #1.....

and yes Ranger#1, i do know what a proper weld should look like.....i've only been welding for 25+ years... stick, TIG, and MIG...certified in all 3 processes....and am subject to recertification every 2 years because of Federal Regulations.....

and like others have said....pretty don't get ya home.....quality does....

l8r, John

yep these welds are weak and will break

you should set up shop in a mall...because the mall is about the only place that shits gunna get you

plz stfu

there's a lot of hypocrites in this thread.....

his work is far better than a lot of the junk that everyone praises here, but his work is not up there with camburg like he thinks.

thx

He isnt being criticized harshly because of what he has posted in this thread necessarily. He is being bashed because he as criticized other people in different threads, because it doesnt look as pretty as his. if he is going to criticize someone else's work he better damn sure he has all his ducks in a row.IMO. I am not saying I have any room to judge his work, but I am saying his "Looks Are More Important" approach is bullsh*t.

-PlumCrazy

Here is a link to thread where he bashed on a tried and true design simply because is was aesthetically pleasing to him. This method has been used by many, and it works no matter how cheesy it may look.(IMO they look damn good anyway.lol)

Click Me

again i never said looks is only where its it but i will get you in the door and imo they look like shit

I agree with you on his "tude", his stuff looks pretty good, welds look like their getting good penetration and the design seems like it can take abuse but his work isnt on par with his ego. Camburg stuff is beautiful, strong and time tested; he isn't quite there with them fab wise, but he thinks he is with his ego. also, I was in no way taking a shot at your arm setup. I know they are strong, simple and are proven worthy, and you aren't among the posters I was aiming for anyway. other posters are bitching about his work in here and are defending their pals with "less than stellar"(just to be nice) fab in another.

thx again i wasn't trying to say i AM as good as camburg or giant or h&m or btf or solo i was trying to say that i aspire to them and its really not that hard to be that good just think about how many people can do amazing artwork but have never bin herd of

i wouldnt buy your products based on how the welds look.

then stfu

 

[99RangerKrazy]

ok who said all i care about is looks a good design should have both and they should complement each other

It's exactly what you said:

beacuse looks sell

but these kids dont kno the diff. shure a smooth constant bead would be best not to say mine wont hold but its not aesthetically pleasing and that is worth $$$$$$

 

[CopyKat]

a good design should have both and they should complement each other

That's what I keep saying too and no one seems to think you can get both at the same time.

 

[fx2prerunner]

That's what I keep saying too and no one seems to think you can get both at the same time.

totally agree, I try to make everything I make look good as well as function the way it needs to. Copykat your work is very profesional, truely top notch and Ranger#1 has all the tools at his disposal to produce great parts but its his additude thats in question, he constantly tears down others cause their stuff dont look like it costs $1500, but who else here has access to a waterjet. Of course his stuff looks good, he works in a off road shop, If he treated other people with a little more respect they wouldnt critize the one thing about his work that looks bad and maybe even sell some product.

 

[CopyKat]

totally agree, I try to make everything I make look good as well as function the way it needs to. Copykat your work is very profesional, truely top notch

Thank you. It's taken YEARS to get to this point. Now I have guys waiting in line for stuff should I ever make it again.

Just a note to Ranger#1 is "Stick in there!". It takes a while to quiet the non-believers. Get some stuff out there and test it, beat on it, and outright get it to beg for mercy. If it passes those tests then your on the right track.

I'm kinda on teh side of some of these guys about the trigger welding. It's pretty but there is years of practice and takes a good size welder to get it "right" It's much easier to get a pretty weld with a TIG, but experience has shown that heavy gauge steel is not TIG friendly. Bray's pictures of the stick welding is still pretty, even though you can tell it's stick.

Most of the bashers think Pirate4x4 is the bible of the offroad industry, and haven't a clue as to what is cutting edge in design. So don't let it get the better of you.

 

[nate09]

then stfu

im not trying to be a dick, im just saying im not one of those people that think "those are good, strong looking welds." im a welder, i havent been doing it long, but i have gone to school for it. i would love to see these on the truck and work great. im not bashing the quality of your work, but wont be convinced until these are finished and tested.

totally agree, I try to make everything I make look good as well as function the way it needs to. Copykat your work is very profesional, truely top notch and Ranger#1 has all the tools at his disposal to produce great parts but its his additude thats in question, he constantly tears down others cause their stuff dont look like it costs $1500, but who else here has access to a waterjet. Of course his stuff looks good, he works in a off road shop, If he treated other people with a little more respect they wouldnt critize the one thing about his work that looks bad and maybe even sell some product.

x2

 

[Bray D]

Modesty goes a long way in my book, unfortunately I don't think it's in this guys vocabulary.

To be honest, I like the arms. I'm just not a fan of the execution of the weld, and the reasoning behind why its being used. What gets to me the most is his lack of correct spelling and grammar. That and he talks down to other guys without even using what he's built. Maybe if he came across as a halfway decent guy, people would react differently to his work.

You don't think Pirate is the cutting edge in the offroad industry? Seriously? How about the birth of KOH? There's been a LOT of ingenuity that has come out of some of the KOH builds. Or the Hydrodynamic buggy (I know you've been following it )?

Don't get me wrong, I owe a lot of what I know to TRS, but there's more cutting edge tech on the first page of the General 4x4 forum than there has ever been in the history of TRS.

 

[Ranger#1]

Also I don't trigger weld I think thoes that do trigger mAke the industry look bAd and I thik my arms look good beCuse of the design not the welds I think you guys Ned a wiy kit lol so the will strong enough for youguys and ya k o what's funny is thet I got flamed less on desert rangers then on here

 

[crawlin91]

back to the build already.

 

[Ranger#1]

back to the build already.

I kno geeeeeZe

 

[RangerSkate28]

why did i just read that lol

 

[Ranger#1]

im sorry lol

 

[Crashtest84]

Ok im going to jump in here, You have "NO" welding,fab or engineering training right? Your wanting to build things for the general public to go run the desert in? Kid you need to think about other people lives here. How is a customer going to pay you when they are either dead or in a hospital? Just because someone helped you get some tools to do some fab work doesn't make you a pro! Ya, you have some fab skills " limited ones ".

Do yourself and others a favor get some training on fab skills learn about the stress, from the heat of welding on metals. learn what types of alloys to use and how to use them right. Biggest thing LEARN PEOPLE SKILLS and listen to other people man you said it your 18 you have alot to learn there kid.....

 

[jesse93]

so...what ever happened????...wanted to see some testing

 

[86 slo-vo]

havent seen him on here in a while, not that im complaining.

ive seen him running around on dezertrangers not too long ago.