BW1359 Where to pour the liquid?

[lil_Blue_Ford]

That’s the point - they didn’t use what they already had. Over and over again, parts that could have been exactly the same on both vehicles were redesigned with small differences that had no reason to exist.

Ol Henry Ford would have gone through the roof over this nonsense

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

Ol Henry Ford would have gone through the roof over this nonsense

Oh, he would have been on board with it... he was all about less variables to make production easier.

Once he got phased out the committees took over (or it sure feels that way)

 

[fastpakr]

What in the land of three 351's is that supposed to mean?

What I was trying to say was that most of the intake system could have been precisely the same on the Ranger and Explorer. They were already using the same air filter and approximately the same mounting system. But instead of designing one set of parts for both vehicles, each vehicle got slightly different designs that added no value and simply kept them from being interchangeable.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

What I was trying to say was that most of the intake system could have been precisely the same on the Ranger and Explorer. They were already using the same air filter and approximately the same mounting system. But instead of designing one set of parts for both vehicles, each vehicle got slightly different designs that added no value and simply kept them from being interchangeable.

I was joking that making the same thing but different is kind of Ford's calling card.

 

[fastpakr]

I was joking that making the same thing but different is kind of Ford's calling card.

Oh okay. I figured something about what I said was getting lost in translation.

 

[lil_Blue_Ford]

Oh, he would have been on board with it... he was all about less variables to make production easier.

Once he got phased out the committees took over (or it sure feels that way)

I think we have a failure to communicate or you’re just being obstinate as usual…

Maybe I wasn’t clear enough…

Henry Ford would definitely NOT been ok with the current mess that similar vehicles don’t share parts. You are correct about less variables made him happy, it was all about streamlined production. Faster, simpler production means more production volume and less overall cost.

Now it’s all about greed, how can we overcomplicate things and charge a premium for a steaming pile of manure but convince people to come back in a couple years for the latest disaster we produce.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

I think we have a failure to communicate or you’re just being obstinate as usual…

Maybe I wasn’t clear enough…

Henry Ford would definitely NOT been ok with the current mess that similar vehicles don’t share parts. You are correct about less variables made him happy, it was all about streamlined production. Faster, simpler production means more production volume and less overall cost.

Now it’s all about greed, how can we overcomplicate things and charge a premium for a steaming pile of manure but convince people to come back in a couple years for the latest disaster we produce.

Onboard with making everything the same, I typed it wrong.

 

[19Walt93]

"What in the land of three 351's is that supposed to mean?"
It's worse than that, when the high deck Windsor was introduced in 1969 it actually displaced 352 cubic inches, Ford called it a 351 to "avoid confusion". Then in 1970 the 351 Cleveland was released, also really a 352. Then in 1975 Ford stuck the 351 crank into taller 400 blocks to make the 351M- which also displaced 352 cubic inches. If you have a 351M, swapping in a 400 crank and pistons makes it a 400 with no other changes.
It wasn't the first time, the 427 actually displaced about 425 ci, Ford called it a 427 because Buick already had a 425. The 428 was about 426 ci and Mopar had both a 426 Wedge and Hemi by that point..

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

"What in the land of three 351's is that supposed to mean?"
It's worse than that, when the high deck Windsor was introduced in 1969 it actually displaced 352 cubic inches, Ford called it a 351 to "avoid confusion". Then in 1970 the 351 Cleveland was released, also really a 352. Then in 1975 Ford stuck the 351 crank into taller 400 blocks to make the 351M- which also displaced 352 cubic inches. If you have a 351M, swapping in a 400 crank and pistons makes it a 400 with no other changes.
It wasn't the first time, the 427 actually displaced about 425 ci, Ford called it a 427 because Buick already had a 425. The 428 was about 426 ci and Mopar had both a 426 Wedge and Hemi by that point..

Well they did have the FE 352 floating around.

Sounds like how they called the 4.9L V8 (302) a 5.0 to make it sound better than the 300...

It was just always amusing with the 351's, same bore same stroke and very little else interchanged. And the first one outlived them all by 10+ years lol.

 

[19Walt93]

Well they did have the FE 352 floating around.

Sounds like how they called the 4.9L V8 (302) a 5.0 to make it sound better than the 300...

It was just always amusing with the 351's, same bore same stroke and very little else interchanged. And the first one outlived them all by 10+ years lol.

The 352 FE was a good engine for it's time, it made decent toque and people didn't worry about oil leaks in the 50's.
The 302 is something like 4.945 liters, so 5.0 isn't a stretch. It's more honest than GM calling their Isuzu based diesel a Duramax ....

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

The 352 FE was a good engine for it's time, it made decent toque and people didn't worry about oil leaks in the 50's.

Just saying when the 351W came out in the late 60's the old 352 wasn't too far in the past.