Better stock up.....

[MAKG]

Nuclear (even fusion) energy is not clean because it produces effectively permanently radioactive waste that no one knows what to do with.

 

[BlackBII]

Take it to Antartica.....

But then because of global Warming caused by Humans, It'll melt and then end up in the ocean and then kill us all anyway....


Excuse my lack of knowledge, isn't there land down ther, and not just ice?

 

[MAKG]

The problem with transporting it ANYWHERE is that it becomes a security hazard.

Well, at least the 9/11 chickens**ts think so. And we're all supposed to be massively afraid, remember?

Most of Antarctica is covered with ice. The parts that aren't tend to be small islands or very nasty mountain ranges.

 

[koda6966]

I take that last comment personal. I research what I talk about. I do NOT watch the news because it is all a 1 sided bunch of BS. You yourself have not said anything besides California not having hippies and sugar cane coming from Hawaii....

Actually.. I've said a lot more than that. I guess you just haven't been reading my posts.
Oh.. and searching for something on Google after you get caught making it up, doesn't count as research.

Excuse my lack of knowledge, isn't there land down ther, and not just ice?

Most of Antarctica is just ice. I do believe in the high 90's? like 97 or 98%.

Nuclear (even fusion) energy is not clean because it produces effectively permanently radioactive waste that no one knows what to do with.

And thank you MAKG for explaining the pollution cause by Nuclear Plants for mjones, who apparently researches all his posts?

 

[mjonesjr]

And thank you MAKG for explaining the pollution cause by Nuclear Plants for mjones, who apparently researches all his posts?

THERE ISN'T ANYTHING THAT WILL BE USED AS FUEL THAT ISN'T SOME KIND OF POLLUTANT. Is that hard to comprehend? Even your Ethanol is a pollutant when it is burned. You can't build every single power plant on a river so you can have water based power; there isn't enough rivers in the U.S.

The only TRUE clean fuel is hydrogen, which turns to water when burned. I wouldn't want to drive a car filled with hydrogen, talk about a bomb waiting to go off


Koda, you seem to be just another California tree hugger. Climb back up in your tree and stop using the net because you are using energy...

 

[koda6966]

THERE ISN'T ANYTHING THAT WILL BE USED AS FUEL THAT ISN'T SOME KIND OF POLLUTANT. Is that hard to comprehend? Even your Ethanol is a pollutant when it is burned. You can't build every single power plant on a river so you can have water based power; there isn't enough rivers in the U.S.
The only TRUE clean fuel is hydrogen, which turns to water when burned. I wouldn't want to drive a car filled with hydrogen, talk about a bomb waiting to go off
Koda, you seem to be just another California tree hugger. Climb back up in your tree and stop using the net because you are using energy...

So now your admitting that Nuclear power isn't clean? Stop changing your views every time we catch you making something up.
I think its hard for you to comprehend that it pollutes, because your the only one that said it didn't. Why are you saying we cant comprehend it?

And you do know that "water based power" is actually from dams, not rivers, right? Its called Hydroelectric anyway. Not "water based power".

I'm totally a California tree hugger. Thats why I'm from New York.
And don't a lot of people in California (Just like in any other state) drive SUV's? Yea, exactly. So stop referring to them as "California Tree Huggers"

 

[VaGent]

I happen to live in the heart of COAL COUNTRY & have worked in the mines once upon a time although it was a very short peroid of time. My point is this. According to the "experts" there is enough coal to suppy power for the next 100+yrs just in this area alone. I have no way of proving that as truth but I do know this much for a fact. There is more coal coming out of the mines in W.VA., VA., KY., PA., & northern TN then there is sunshine going into those states. Coal is shipped to the loading yards in Norfolk & Portsmouth daily to be shipped overseas to other countries not counting what is being used to power the electric plants in these states. COAL IS DIRTY to mine, trnasport & use as a fuel & we all know that for a fact. Are we going to run out quickly as some people seem t to think? I personally don't see it happening in our lifetime but then again I am not an expert on the subject.

There is nothing that I know of personally that is known to mankind that will produce power without having toxic materials in it of some kind or the other. And I don't believe our technology is smart enough at this time to figure out what can be used cheaply & meet all the damands place on us all in today's world. People in America have been trying to figure out this answer for what (?), going on 200 yrs & are no closer to the answer then when they started.

 

[koda6966]

I happen to live in the heart of COAL COUNTRY & have worked in the mines once upon a time although it was a very short peroid of time. My point is this. According to the "experts" there is enough coal to suppy power for the next 100+yrs just in this area alone. I have no way of proving that as truth but I do know this much for a fact. There is more coal coming out of the mines in W.VA., VA., KY., PA., & northern TN then there is sunshine going into those states. Coal is shipped to the loading yards in Norfolk & Portsmouth daily to be shipped overseas to other countries not counting what is being used to power the electric plants in these states. COAL IS DIRTY to mine, trnasport & use as a fuel & we all know that for a fact. Are we going to run out quickly as some people seem t to think? I personally don't see it happening in our lifetime but then again I am not an expert on the subject.

There is nothing that I know of personally that is known to mankind that will produce power without having toxic materials in it of some kind or the other. And I don't believe our technology is smart enough at this time to figure out what can be used cheaply & meet all the damands place on us all in today's world. People in America have been trying to figure out this answer for what (?), going on 200 yrs & are no closer to the answer then when they started.

Imagine if the entire country was run by coal. Most of the west coast is powered by Hydro-Electric and requires a vast amount of power due to the extent of major cities out there. If the entire Nation, or Continent (Have to include our Canadian friends on here) were to be powered by coal as mjones suggested, we would exhaust our supply.

 

[v-8power]

There is absolutely nothing we can do about the price of oil or gas. As soon as we all realize this the sooner we can start talking about trucks again. The Oil companys have it,
you need it, you have to pay their price.

If we build more refineries then they will pump less oil out of the ground to keep the price high.

China right now is buying and using ALL they can get. As long as corporations keep going to china to get stuff manufactured this is going to happen.

What pisses me off is that the oil companies are still getting tax breaks from the government. This just my .02 though take it with a grain of salt.

 

[Danger-Ranger96]

supply and demand is the best way to define it. Look at when heathrow airport (i think it was) went out of power two summers ago, all the planes were landed. That event actually made the price of oil drop two dollars because no one was able to fly. I'm not saying this is the best example but i'm sure if we did limit the usage of gas, it would go down.

 

[Simple_serf]

I live near old oil country (NW PA). and I ocassionally drive by the old United Refinery, which is still in use. The contamination from old abandoned oil wells, and that damn refinery is astonishing. Many of the trout streams that i fish or fish near, you cnat eat the fish after a certain point. Hell, half of Warren smells like the refinery.

Nuclear isn't a good idea....ever been to TMI? I have. Do a wiki search for commercial nuclear powerplants in the US... there is a whole list, and it tells when they were built, type of reactor, and accidents. Most have had at least one slip up, and many of them are almost 40 years old. which means the design is even older. Many of the GE mark I's have issues with the containment vessels in a loss of coolant event. also don't forget about the incidents at the Davis-Besse power plant in Ohio... one problem due to a faulty valve, another problem due to feedwater pump problems, oh, and we can't forget that the reactor head almost was eaten through due to improper maintenance, and this fact was covered up by workers at the plant.

I am interested in Molten salt reactors, however, and I belive that if more research is spent working with them, they may be a viable alternative, espcially given the higher effiencies and the possibility of using curent nuclear waste as fuel.

I think that the best thing to do though is start to move twards "alternative energy", incuding wind and solar. I am currently in the process of adding capacity to my solar power system (my entire living area will be on off grid solar power, except for refrigeration). Biggest expense isn't equipment anymore...it's copper and lead. I am going from about 150AH of battery capacity to 500, with an increase in panels to go with it. Oh, and before you guys say that the lead from the batteries cause problems, almost all batteries are recycled into new batteries these days.

The oil economy is going to collapse here sometime, and we are going to be screwed unless we implement alternatives. Electricity is looking to be one of the best alternatives, and we already have some infastructure to utilize it.

Gotta say though that that's messed up with some of the shooting and the arrests.

 

[koda6966]

See mjones? Nuclear energy isn't as "clean" as you decided to declare it was.

 

[exbass94]

I think that the best thing to do though is start to move twards "alternative energy", incuding wind and solar.

Wow FINALLY someone mentioned solar and wind power. I'm surprised this didn't come up sooner. Here's my suggestion on where to get electricity from: You always hear about these people who have solar panels on the roof of their houses and they produce all the electricity they need. All the extra electricty they produce and don't use gets sold to the power company. So they're actually making money every month instead of paying for it. If everyone had their own solar panels, we wouldn't even need power plants at all. Even if your own solar panels didn't produce enough electricity and you needed to buy some from the grid, the "grid" would be someone else's house that's producing extra electricty and selling it! It's kinda like the internet....the electricty grid would consist of everybody's solar panels connected together, and everyone produces their own electricty and buys/sells it to each other. Feel free to criticize and poke a million holes in my idea, I'm just thinking out loud.

 

[koda6966]

Wow FINALLY someone mentioned solar and wind power. I'm surprised this didn't come up sooner. Here's my suggestion on where to get electricity from: You always hear about these people who have solar panels on the roof of their houses and they produce all the electricity they need. All the extra electricty they produce and don't use gets sold to the power company. So they're actually making money every month instead of paying for it. If everyone had their own solar panels, we wouldn't even need power plants at all. Even if your own solar panels didn't produce enough electricity and you needed to buy some from the grid, the "grid" would be someone else's house that's producing extra electricty and selling it! It's kinda like the internet....the electricty grid would consist of everybody's solar panels connected together, and everyone produces their own electricty and buys/sells it to each other. Feel free to criticize and poke a million holes in my idea, I'm just thinking out loud.

...Your a genius!
Theres few flaws in that, but some places don't get alot/any sun for long periods of time.

 

[Simple_serf]

Well...I can't say I would argue with the idea of everyone having panels on their house. Biggest problem is the cost... Solar panels require silicon refined as well as computer processors...So they get expensive. There was just another silicon refinery (if you want to call it that) built last year, so prices have fallen a touch.

I trend to stay away from grid connection, as most of my stuff is homebrewed, and isn't to code. Additionally, I have had a bad experience involving a grid connected Enertech 1800 Wind generator. Basically, the power comany's inspector refused to certify the system. It took 9 months of dealing with lawyers and several inspectors to get it connected. In the end, it turns out that the power comany just didn't want the system connected, and told the inspector to fail the system. granted this was a LONG time ago, but I have plenty of things that can keep me busy off grid anyways.

A friend of mine from work also wants me to help him install a small microhydro system sometime this summer. What can I say...I like making power, especailly when I am not paying for it!

I think that trains are going to come back into use, especially if powered by electricity.

one of these years I will get pics up....if I ever get this damn system finished!

Paul