Better stock up.....

[mjonesjr]

If I owned a store, and a natural disaster hit,and I sold you a bag of chips that normally sell for $1 and I sold it for $5 or even $10 and water for $6 or $10 a Bottle, I would be arrested. When Katrina happened,no prices did not go up, the Gov stepped in and prevented this. Gouging has never been allowed. I went through 4 hurricanes, and never seen a drastic increase in price, just a drastic decrease in supply.

your LOCAL prices never went up, but prices else where DID go up because the material and items were being shipped into the region that was hit with the disaster. There was a supply/demand problem in other parts of the country.



You all need to start thinking OUTSIDE the box a bit....

 

[koda6966]

=What about the corn needed to feed livestock to keep MEAT on your table and MILK in your fridge? Get a clue...

You do know that corn is a really poor feed for cattle and can cause death in some cases where they are fed an excessive amount, right?
They developed to graze, grains and grasses are their main food supply.

 

[reno]

That is exactly correct, I went through 3 hurricanes in 3 months, prices never went up. Hurricane Andrew, helped rebuild, prices did not sky rocket. Hurricane Elana,Floyd and others threatening Florida, prices never changed, just supply.
BTW the 3 Hurricanes were Charlie,Frances and Ivan if I remember correctly.

 

[Jorley]

idle fields? What about the fields that are being sold to build subdivisions on? There is not as much land as you think that are idled by the government.

Also, corn can't be repeatedly grown on the same field. You have to alternate the fields so the soil is not stripped of its nutrients. All farmers can't just up and switch their crops to corn. If they did that, where would we get wheat, soy, potato, and other crops that are used by Americans and grown by Americans every day? Come on, use your head a little bit. What about the corn needed to feed livestock to keep MEAT on your table and MILK in your fridge? Get a clue...

Yes, fields being sold for housing is a double edged sword. On one hand you need housing and the other you need food.
One man here has over 300 acres idle. The only thing he can plant is trees, not that is a bad thing.
I'm not trying to start an argument, but I have lived here over 5 yrs and corn and cotton have been grown on the same fields every year that they were grown on the year before.
And as I said in an earlier post after the ethanol is extracted from the corn it still retains it's feed value and can be used to feed livestock, such as beef and dairy cattle. So that's a win-win. You get the fuel and the feed.

 

[mjonesjr]

You CAN use the left over corn for feed, but are the ethanol plants doing that? no, they are disposing of the left overs because they don't want to or have the time/resources to re-sell it. They would need millions in other equipment to reload it into trucks, then there would have to be places for the leftovers to be stored till it was bought.

 

[koda6966]

You CAN use the left over corn for feed, but are the ethanol plants doing that? no, they are disposing of the left overs because they don't want to or have the time/resources to re-sell it. They would need millions in other equipment to reload it into trucks, then there would have to be places for the leftovers to be stored till it was bought.

In New York all left over corn is resold to farmers to be mixed with regular feed. Even the carbon dioxide is being sold to soda companies for use. Its a very efficient industry.

It would cost them more to dispose of it, because they would have to abide by regulations and Federal laws which would require them to use a secure dumping facility, where even a regular pickupload would cost in excess of $100 to dispose of.

You really have no clue what your talking about, do you?

 

[mjonesjr]

Ethanol may be an efficient industry, but a gallon of ethanol still cost as much as a gallon of gas. Ethanol doesn't produce the fuel economy that gas does either.


This time period is no different than the gas crunch of the '70s...

 

[koda6966]

Ethanol may be an efficient industry, but a gallon of ethanol still cost as much as a gallon of gas. Ethanol doesn't produce the fuel economy that gas does either.
This time period is no different than the gas crunch of the '70s...

Actually.. ethonal is around 2.40 a gallon. But you are right in that it doesn't produce the same fuel economy. Still, its cheaper due to the lesser price.

And you didn't respond to how your talking out your other end about how the Ethanol plants dont sell to farmers and are inefficient.

 

[mjonesjr]

I didn't know they were selling the left overs back. I was mistaken on that.

Even at $2.40 a gallon, you will need about 1.5 gallons of ethanol to do the same as 1 gallon of gas. So you will spend $3.60 for ethanol to do the same as you would have spent $3.25 for a gallon of gas (that is gas prices locally).

 

[hihoslvr]

Hey mjones, just so you know Brazil uses sugar cane for their ethanol, and have been very successful doing so.

And BTW, you ever been to California? I have a problem with some of the gross generilazations you often make, hippy state? Yeah, there are a lot of fruitcakes out here (land of fruits and nuts as we say), but there is also the largest Marine Corp Base, and a whole lot of your food coming from this place.

 

[mjonesjr]

i know Brazil uses sugar cane to produce ethanol. I think the U.S. should look into this as well instead of using corn.

No i have not been to California. I have heard the northern parts of California is pretty "normal". I also know that Camp LaJune (sp?) is there, but what does Marines have to do with this discussion? That part confuses me.

The vast majority of food does not come from California.


The U.S. has re-useable fuel, but there are tree huggers who wont allow it to be used. Nuclear power is a clean and reliable source of energy. There are billions, yes billions, tons of coal that can be used as fuel, but the huggers say it is too dirty.

 

[reno]

I just got off the phone with my friend and he said some of the truckers have been shot at for the strike and others have gotten threats.

 

[mjonesjr]

that happened in the '70s.....this strike isn't nothing like then.....

those people who are doing that should be jailed....or atleast warned, I shoot back.....

 

[koda6966]

i know Brazil uses sugar cane to produce ethanol. I think the U.S. should look into this as well instead of using corn.

No i have not been to California. I have heard the northern parts of California is pretty "normal". I also know that Camp LaJune (sp?) is there, but what does Marines have to do with this discussion? That part confuses me.

The vast majority of food does not come from California.


The U.S. has re-useable fuel, but there are tree huggers who wont allow it to be used. Nuclear power is a clean and reliable source of energy. There are billions, yes billions, tons of coal that can be used as fuel, but the huggers say it is too dirty.

We can only grow sugar cane in Hawaii, and some parts of Florida.
Marines are not hippies, thats what it has to do with it.
Alot of our food does.
Most of the united states is powered by coal, at current consumption rates we WILL deplete it, if we start using more coal, it WILL be depleted faster.
Nuclear power IS NOT clean. Every hear of Radiation?

You wouldn't happen to be some dumb kid would you? Or maybe just a dumb adult who thinks that they know everything they possibly can just from watching a few minutes of the news every morning before work?

 

[mjonesjr]

Why is nuclear power not clean? There are numerous nuclear power plants around the country without any radiation. They are engineered to be self contained if they have a reactor disaster. The cooling towers are engineered to withstand direct hits from 4 747 in a row.

I take that last comment personal. I research what I talk about. I do NOT watch the news because it is all a 1 sided bunch of BS. You yourself have not said anything besides California not having hippies and sugar cane coming from Hawaii....