4 cyl vs v6

[That.1.guy]

just need a little clarification. is the bellhousing the only difference between tranny's? mostly looking at the fm145.

bought a truck with no trans but hoping the 2.8 will last till I cam rebuild a 2.3

 

[RonD]

FM-series transmissions had detachable bell housings so yes you can swap bell housings to put FM trans on a V6 or 4 cyl

I think they all used same gear ratios

 

[That.1.guy]

ok thanks. does that mean they use the same clutch?

 

[bobbywalter]

clutch should be same from 2.8-2.9 to the 4 whizzer


the 4.0 is a bit bigger but when starting with fresh flywheel are interchangeable. one 9 in and one is 10...or 8.x in...clos eough i call it 9.

 

[That.1.guy]

makes sense now. so to upgrade to an m5hd ,I would be able to reuse one of my clutches, just not recommended? sorry just not finding much about 4 banger tran vs v6.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

Might go somewhere like Rockauto and compare and see if they call for the same parts back and forth between the two engines.

I kinda doubt the flywheel would interchange between a US 4cyl and a German V6. And that may or may not trickle down to the PPA and the disk.

 

[RonD]

M5OD-R1 transmissions are engine specific, bell housing does not detach, it is part of the transmission case

2.8l, 2.9l, and both 4.0ls(OHV and SOHC) used same transmission bolt pattern so are interchangeable.
4.0l SOHC had the only HD version, and it basically meant it had an extra bolt in bell housing, insides were virtually the same

2.3l SOHC Lima pattern is different, M5OD-R1 from Lima 2.3l or 2.5l is the only option, they were used until mid-2001, Rangers then got the 2.3l DOHC Duratec 4cyl, different pattern again, so won't fit 2.3l Lima

 

[fastpakr]

You're sure about the Duratec being different from the Lima? Not arguing, just didn't realize that.

 

[RonD]

Yes, different pattern

This lists most of Fords Patterns: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ford_bellhousing_patterns

Lima was unique pattern, not shared with any other Ford engine

Duratec/Mazda L 4 cyl engines looks like it will also be that way

Gone are the days when ALL Ford engines used Windsor pattern, lol

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

M5OD-R1 transmissions are engine specific, bell housing does not detach, it is part of the transmission case

2.8l, 2.9l, and both 4.0ls(OHV and SOHC) used same transmission bolt pattern so are interchangeable.
4.0l SOHC had the only HD version, and it basically meant it had an extra bolt in bell housing, insides were virtually the same

2.3l SOHC Lima pattern is different, M5OD-R1 from Lima 2.3l or 2.5l is the only option, they were used until mid-2001, Rangers then got the 2.3l DOHC Duratec 4cyl, different pattern again, so won't fit 2.3l Lima

A FM145 seems to have a detachable bellhousing. Nothing that has a 2.8 had a M5OD from the factory.

http://www.therangerstation.com/tech_library/ManualTransmission.shtml

 

[RonD]

yes, FM-series had detachable bell housing so OP can use his 2.3l trans, and clutch, on the 2.8l by swapping bell housings

But he wanted to put a newer trans with his rebuilt 2.3l Lima when the time came to pull out the 2.8l, that is was what the M5OD-R1 info was for

 

[That.1.guy]

yeah for now I just want to get it drivable without spending to much on things I don't need later. so from doing some research they made some 2.8 4x4 with a tk4? if so is that swap worth it. I have a tk4 but its 2wd. so looks like I would only need bell housing and extension housing to bolt it up to the 1350? or even just bell housing and run 2wd for a while.

the 83 2wd was my daily not to long ago. so even he 2.3 in it runs good just needs carb work. (although I starts anytime you want it to even after sittin for a year) . the 85 is just in a lot betters shape overall.

 

[bobbywalter]

just need a little clarification. is the bellhousing the only difference between tranny's? mostly looking at the fm145.

bought a truck with no trans but hoping the 2.8 will last till I cam rebuild a 2.3

makes sense now. so to upgrade to an m5hd ,I would be able to reuse one of my clutches, just not recommended? sorry just not finding much about 4 banger tran vs v6.

yeah for now I just want to get it drivable without spending to much on things I don't need later. so from doing some research they made some 2.8 4x4 with a tk4? if so is that swap worth it. I have a tk4 but its 2wd. so looks like I would only need bell housing and extension housing to bolt it up to the 1350? or even just bell housing and run 2wd for a while.

the 83 2wd was my daily not to long ago. so even he 2.3 in it runs good just needs carb work. (although I starts anytime you want it to even after sittin for a year) . the 85 is just in a lot betters shape overall.

i am confused to the goals and intended lineup.

i take it you were running a 2wd 4 whizzer. failed the trans or no? or is the truck just so rotten now your not wanting to drive it daily because to ol beast is in bad shape overall...???

then, you picked up a transless 4x4 with a 2.8 and it is in good shape?

and the tk4 is out of the the rotten 2wd 4 whizzer??

or is it just a part that was around or recently picked up?

the 2.8 will likely need carb work as well.

the 2wd 4cyl or sans bellhousing tk4 will require an output shaft swap along with the bellhousing swap to go onto a 2.8 and have a 1350 hang off of it....

unless it was from a b2, in which case it is a 4x4 tk4 already and just needs a t case installed.

to give advice on this i would need to know how complete the 4x4 2.8 engine project truck is.

if all of the parts are there and it just has a broken trans, i say get a 4x4 m50d from the junkyard and put it back together. you may have to get some driveshaft work done but it will be worth it.

otherwise just fix the 2.3 carb and swap the 2.3 powertrain in and deal with the drive shaft.


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or put a 5.3 ls truck and trans in there and be busting axles to death.