302 Ranger ET???

[306deranged]

i agree, i definently respect ls1's because i know what they are capable of and they are good motors but i just hate it when people strut around in "new" cars they didnt build at all and talk about how fast they can go...i would love to see a 20 year old "streetable" truck put one to shame with a "built not bought" attitude...do you guys think I will have to have diff. length pushrods with my ported e7 heads...i already have the comp springs, retainers, and 10 deg. keepers the comp cam calls for...im using 1.6rr's bringing the lift to .512...its gonna be about another week before i get to the top end of the motor and im just wondering if my 6.250" comp high energy pushrods will be ok?

 

[306deranged]

i think i shoudl be pretty close to keeping up with a ls1...as long as i get the rear end right, and def if i get better heads...nitrous will be down the road a little ways and i love the idea of no boost, no spray, all motor...even if i dont get to that point i know i will one day and it should def be a fun little truck

 

[Beanmachine7000]

You wouldn't have any problem taking it to a stock LS1, depending on how much you spend... Problem is anything they put the LS1 into will hook up ALOT better than your truck... I say link it, but that's just me... FYI - I'm building up an L76 (6.0L aluminum LS1) for my Camaro, and with less than $3,000 into it I'm looking at about 425-450 RWHP... It's incredible what you can do with these motors for so little money...

 

[fordmike1]

The LS1's L33 engines only make 315hp and that is the high Hp one. You can take a stock explorer engine through a ford F cam in it with the correct valve springs and a stock Mustang computer/wiring and make more power then them. We dyno'ed a mustang with this setup and it layed 307 at the tire which is well over 350hp at the flywheel and the car ran 12.4x@112 in the 1/4. This was a junk yard engine with over 120k on the clock and my buddy had less then 600 into the engine. Of course he already had a built C4 trans with a 2500 converter and 3.73's in the rear and the car was full bodied with interior and sound system and is a 91 coupe. Dont be intimadated by ANY LS1's!!!

 

[Beanmachine7000]

The LS1's L33 engines only make 315hp and that is the high Hp one. You can take a stock explorer engine through a ford F cam in it with the correct valve springs and a stock Mustang computer/wiring and make more power then them. We dyno'ed a mustang with this setup and it layed 307 at the tire which is well over 350hp at the flywheel and the car ran 12.4x@112 in the 1/4. This was a junk yard engine with over 120k on the clock and my buddy had less then 600 into the engine. Of course he already had a built C4 trans with a 2500 converter and 3.73's in the rear and the car was full bodied with interior and sound system and is a 91 coupe. Dont be intimadated by ANY LS1's!!!

So, the LS3 isn't an LS engine? Or better yet, the LS9 isn't an LS either is it? LQ4's (iron 6.0L Gen III) with the L92 heads, truck intake and mild cam are putting out 500+ FWHP... That's less than $1,000 worth of parts right there... There is a guy running 10's on a $2,500 budget... The VCT motors (Gen IV) are putting out the same numbers, plus some, with a pretty darn flat torque curve (thanks to aftermarket VCT camshafts)... I'm not hating the 5.0L (I honestly do think it's a very nice engine), but it's outdated, which it should be, hasn't been produced in a vehicle in over ten years... For a set amount of money an LS-series will make more power every time... You can definitely build up a 5.0L to beat an LS-series, it will cost more, though... I would have gone with an aluminum 6.0L LS (or a 351W if I wanted to keep it Ford)...

 

[fordmike1]

So, the LS3 isn't an LS engine? Or better yet, the LS9 isn't an LS either is it?

What part of LS1 did you not understand?
Yes there are 10 thousand diffrent LS engines but I was only talking about the LS1's. Read and think before you run your mouth!!!

 

[Beanmachine7000]

What part of LS1 did you not understand?
Yes there are 10 thousand diffrent LS engines but I was only talking about the LS1's. Read and think before you run your mouth!!!

Ok, then technically an L33 is not an LS1 either... The LS1 is 5.7L all aluminum block Gen III GM smallblock V8 whereas the L33 is a 5.3L all aluminum Gen III smallblock V8... If want to throw around LS1 numbers I can surely do that... Stock LS1 are rated at 350 hp and 365 lb/ft, and routinely dyno that TO THE REAR WHEELS... In Australia, where they kept going with the LS1 it makes upwards of 400 hp... LS6 engines make 400+ RWHP as well, using the same architecture as the LS1... We're talking about stock numbers here... Like I said, there's guy that are running mid 10's with just bolt ons... I'd pay to see ANY 5.0L do that, especially in a 3300lb car... I know my LS series, you really don't want to go there with me, and I'd appreciate it if you were to read and think before you run your mouth

 

[Mac]

Don't get personal guys, help the OP. I think he needs more motor than what he has, nothing I see in the parts make it stand out.
Dave

 

[Beanmachine7000]

Don't get personal guys, help the OP. I think he needs more motor than what he has, nothing I see in the parts make it stand out.
Dave

My bad, it's just bugs me when people think one thing is so much better just because it is this brand or that brand... Fact is, any LS will make more power than a 5.0L, for less money... Period... He needs quite a bit more motor, and rear suspension work to hang with anything that has a GM Gen III mill...

 

[fordmike1]

The L33 is a LS1. LS1's include the 4.8l, 5.3l & the old corvette gen3 5.7l.
Yes it takes more to make power with a 1960's design 302 engine but with todays computers and technolgy that old 1960's SBF can easily produce 350+hp with almost all factory parts.
I would rather build an old school engine (Ford, chevy or Chrysler)and know that I built it and it make this HP then just say yea its a nutswinger LS engine that everyone else does and I am just following everyone else.

 

[Beanmachine7000]

The L33 is a LS1. LS1's include the 4.8l, 5.3l & the old corvette gen3 5.7l.
Yes it takes more to make power with a 1960's design 302 engine but with todays computers and technolgy that old 1960's SBF can easily produce 350+hp with almost all factory parts.
I would rather build an old school engine (Ford, chevy or Chrysler)and know that I built it and it make this HP then just say yea its a nutswinger LS engine that everyone else does and I am just following everyone else.

You're just blatantly wrong all over the place here... LS1 refer's to the all aluminum 5.7L V8, and only that, which is the engine that was in the f-bodies and Corvette, the LS6 is an LS1 with different parts that was put into the ZO6... If you're claiming an L33 is an LS1, then so is the LQ4/LQ9/LY6/L76/L92/LS3/LS9 etc... The 4.8/5.3L don't have the same bore as the LS1, and neither does the 6.0L+ blocks... If it bugs you that much go ahead and compare stock for stock ANY Gen III smallblock and it still blows away ANY stock 5.0L, even the 270hp 4.8L... Add the same amount of money in go fast parts and a GM Gen III comes out on top everytime... I don't care new school, old school, future school, high school, middle school, preschool... I know what works best, and you just can't beat a GM Gen III block for high hp/low $ build... This is the exact reason I'm ditching my Gen II GM for a Gen IV engine... I'm not telling the OP to go with a Gen III/IV block, I'm just saying he's going to need ALOT more to get a truck to keep up with an LS powered sports car...

Edit: I'm done here... You know what they say about arguing on the internet... To the OP: My opinion? You'll need a heck of alot more motor work (I would have started with an LQ4 or 351W) and a good rear end set up and slicks to hang with a bolt on LS car...

 

[bobbywalter]

mike....i see ls envy


the small fords technically a 50's design with setup ideas before the canadian x project...


ls1 generally....general for ls engines. i like the truck 6.0...and call it a ls.


the ls is out there in big numbers and ready for swappin. is there really a way to knock them.???

when fresh starting its the only logical choice out there.

for this thread they are the best bang for the buck...especially for a late model emissions conscience street able rig that want some power and future upgrading...

 

[bobbywalter]

speaking of suspension....what would be a good way to lower the rear...i did the 8.8 swap from a 91 ranger, and im getting some lakewood traction bars.....would you reccomened flipping the leafs to the bottom of the axle? and would i still be able to use those bars? im kinda new at this stuff so any tips would be greatly appreciated as im on a "college" budget but then again i wont my stuff done right the first time....i plan on getting limited slip and 373's very soon and one day down the road switching to 31 splines

for me....i would cut and pull the bedsides and run a sploder 8.8 disk with a detroit locker and leaves under axle like the sploder with over axle traction bars with fresh coils and bushings up front and drag shocks with all metel not needed removed and anything including radiator that is not needed up front in the bed.


unless you want to go tens....then link the rear and tie it all up with the cage.

 

[Beanmachine7000]

unless you want to go tens....then link the rear and tie it all up with the cage.

 

[fordmike1]

mike....i see ls envy

Not here. I am just not one that follows everyone else . I like to build my own things that are not the same as everyone else. Every time I go to a car show or any motorsports event all you hear is I have a nutswinger LS engine that I put in my (whatever) as if it was some kind of special engine and they were the only one to have it. These engines are all over the wrecking yards here and can be had for 200 dollars or less but I will never buy one nor would I ever run one . If I want to build a killer street rod I would put in a Ford 5.4 mod engine or even a Hemi as there are good looking engines and dont need plastic or custom covers to make them cool.
A good friend of mine has a Tatum Blackwidow sand rail with a cobra 4.6l engine in it and he has yet to have any LS fags beat him. Of course his car makes well into the 1400HP range with twin turbos and a STOCK bottom end and factory heads. I used to build GM's and drag race a big block camaro but I was just the same as most others out at the track so I started building other then GM's and have never looked back. I will line my Mustang up against any car that pulls up next to me and go for it and its been very rare that I have been beat. There is a guy out here named Nic and he has a Nutswinger LS car and it runs well into the 9's and even though he would hand me my ass I wouldnt back down and he is in the very low percentage that has beat me. LS powered cars dont scare me at all and they are not as bad ass as all you guys think that they are.