does redline oil contain zddp?

[Sasquatch_Ryda]

I have no idea wtf Im talking about here, but I read something somewhere while learning what tappet lifters are and zddp and stuff...
It made mention of break-in conditioners for use in new engines... Said adding that to your oil will do the trick. No idea where to buy this stuff though.
Anyone know wtf Im talking about? 'cause I dont.

Walk into any General Motors dealership, go to the parts department and ask for a bottle of AC Delco EOS (engine oil supplement) That is all our machine shop here that builds race engines uses, along with Rotella T 15w40 oil.

 

[heptofite]

Glad you mentioned something amongst the lines of "recommended for API".

Amsoil is a HUGE example of many oils that are NOT certified by API, yet they still try to advertise around that as much as possible. They like to note they are the first API "rated", but NOT API certified... Big difference!

the ONLY oils certified for SPARK IGNITED engines from amsoil are their XL and OE lines of oil. Their ONLY diesel oil certified by the API is their "PCO" oil, which is only a synthetic BLEND.

i must be missing the part where that's a bad thing.

i want me some zddp.

 

[kemo]

it's a bad thing when your engine fails due to their crap oil (amsoil) and your DEALERSHIP won't replace the engine under warranty because you chose not to use an API CERTIFIED oil as per the manual.

heck, our local parts stores used to be dealers of amsoil... until they've found that usually they don't even stand behind their product when it fails... hence why they "used" to be amsoil dealers.

 

[heptofite]

i've never heard of an oil 'failing' and destroying an engine, especially not amsoil.

have you any links or the like to back this up?

 

[cammeddrz]

i've never heard of an oil 'failing' and destroying an engine, especially not amsoil.

^^what he said

people blame oil for engine failures its almost as good as when people blame k&n air filters. in both cases it is the user, not the product

have you any links or the like to back this up?

as if a "link" will "back it up".....if its on the internet it must be true right? the advent of the internet forum has lead to the inundation of straight B.S. being circulated around. and trs is not immune

i have learned that when it comes to 3 things every person has an opinion about one way or the other, that they are willing to fight to the death tooth-and-nail to defend (and they have reasons to "back it up)
those 3 things are:
1. motor oil
2. religion
3. K&N air filters

 

[kemo]

^^what he said

people blame oil for engine failures its almost as good as when people blame k&n air filters. in both cases it is the user, not the product

have you seen the big list of TSB's from amsoil? or that big recall of a Ea013 filter? or the fact that amsoil tells you to change your oil as per the manufacturer and not what the amsoil bottle says because there have been many problems with amsoil in MANY vehicles (as per their TSBs)?

the threat is real... and dealerships want to see the receipts (proof that you are maintaining as per the scheduled service intervals)! they'll do anything they can to prove that it ISN'T the manufacturer's fault. it's easy to discover if it is due to an oil failure, you can clearly tell by looking at it. heck, all they have to do is have it analyzed too. then when they say "it's due to your oil", now the problem is in YOUR hands, it is YOUR argument to take up with the oil company.

the worst thing you can do is do the "extended drain intervals" when you have a warranty. Soon as they see the amsoil oil filter, the first thing they ask is... "how often do you change your oil?"

i've never heard of an oil 'failing' and destroying an engine, especially not amsoil.

You've never been in a Porsche have you??? that's one of the errors/faults that displays.

 

[Surrey]

or that big recall of a Ea013 filter? or the fact that amsoil tells you to change your oil as per the manufacturer and not what the amsoil bottle says because there have been many problems with amsoil in MANY vehicles (as per their TSBs)?

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Shit gets recalled. Big deal. Happens all the time. Thats the manufacturer admitting to an inferior product that needs to be pulled from the shelves... Hardly proof they have bad quality.

And of course Amsoil tells you to change your oil as per manufacturers instructions, because if you dont change it on the proper intervals as stated in your owners manual, Dealerships do asshole things like blame their shitty cars on you not changing the oil.

I have seen countless cars run thousands of kilometers over their oil change interval, without any problems.

If the product was that shitty, nobody would buy it, and the company would have gone bankrupt years ago.

 

[kemo]

i'm not going to have this argument on a forum. if you are ever in central minnesota, shoot me a PM. we can meet up, and I'll take you to the dealership and the parts store so you can have a nice chat with them about their experiences with amsoil.

 

[LIMA BEAN]

Royal purple claims their XPR line of oil is loaded with ZDDP just for higher lift, higher rpm flat tappet cams.

http://royalpurple.com/faqs-motor-oil.html

 

[Jason]

have you seen the big list of TSB's from amsoil? or that big recall of a Ea013 filter? or the fact that amsoil tells you to change your oil as per the manufacturer and not what the amsoil bottle says because there have been many problems with amsoil in MANY vehicles (as per their TSBs)?

the threat is real... and dealerships want to see the receipts (proof that you are maintaining as per the scheduled service intervals)! they'll do anything they can to prove that it ISN'T the manufacturer's fault. it's easy to discover if it is due to an oil failure, you can clearly tell by looking at it. heck, all they have to do is have it analyzed too. then when they say "it's due to your oil", now the problem is in YOUR hands, it is YOUR argument to take up with the oil company.

the worst thing you can do is do the "extended drain intervals" when you have a warranty. Soon as they see the amsoil oil filter, the first thing they ask is... "how often do you change your oil?"


You've never been in a Porsche have you??? that's one of the errors/faults that displays.

And do you know how badly you have to "cook" the oil first. I worked in a Porsche dealership and I personally HAVE driven many, and DO know.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

i've never heard of an oil 'failing' and destroying an engine, especially not amsoil.

have you any links or the like to back this up?

I can't say as I have heard of the new oil killing many cams either.

 

[Sasquatch_Ryda]

A guy I work with bought a brand new reman longblock from Ford for his 91 f150 (302)

It was run on Motorcraft 10w30 from the get go. It developed a terrible misfire on cylinder 8 just over a year later (just past warranty time wise, he only put 11,000km's on the truck in that time) We ended up pulling the valve cover off on that side and rolling it over...saw that the intake valve was barely opening on cylinder 8. We removed the cam to find the lobe almost completely wiped round. A few of the others were just starting to show signs of bad wear and pitting.

Not sure if this was just a shitty cam or because of the new oils without all the 'good stuff' in them. Just thought I'd throw that out there...

 

[LIMA BEAN]

A guy I work with bought a brand new reman longblock from Ford for his 91 f150 (302)

It was run on Motorcraft 10w30 from the get go. It developed a terrible misfire on cylinder 8 just over a year later (just past warranty time wise, he only put 11,000km's on the truck in that time) We ended up pulling the valve cover off on that side and rolling it over...saw that the intake valve was barely opening on cylinder 8. We removed the cam to find the lobe almost completely wiped round. A few of the others were just starting to show signs of bad wear and pitting.

Not sure if this was just a shitty cam or because of the new oils without all the 'good stuff' in them. Just thought I'd throw that out there...

Could have been either or. I have installed litterally a few hundred cams and seen brand new Crane, Comp, Isky, edelbrock ect. go flat in a heartbeat it was mfg. not oil. Most of that was years ago so oil and mfg. was a diff ballgame then.

 

[Sasquatch_Ryda]

The last cam I installed was a Comp Cams into my dad's 73' 340. Coated it in break in/assembly lube, used Rotella T15w40 and a bottle of AC Delco EOS in the oil(as suggested by the machine shop who did the cam bearings). Ran it at 2000rpm for 15-20 mins and called it a day. I think the initial break-in period is the most important in getting a long life out of a flat tappet cam.

 

[LIMA BEAN]

The last cam I installed was a Comp Cams into my dad's 73' 340. Coated it in break in/assembly lube, used Rotella T15w40 and a bottle of AC Delco EOS in the oil(as suggested by the machine shop who did the cam bearings). Ran it at 2000rpm for 15-20 mins and called it a day. I think the initial break-in period is the most important in getting a long life out of a flat tappet cam.

Correct you are as is ring seat and bearing form.