UHaul won't rent to exploders?

[pillen140]

None of the above, I rent u-hauls out of my shop (shop truck is an explorer), and they will not let ford explorers pull them because when ford and firestone was sued, so was u haul, because quite a few were towing u haul trailers. U haul and firestone showed to court, ford did not, firestone refuses for lawsuit purposes to let explorers haul them anymore, this is straight from the CEO of uhaul in the training you have to do...

it was because of the roll overs, those roll overs were caused by the tires.

 

[bduke23]

Whatever their reason, highly annoying. Especially because he also has a Cherokee or a Yukon he could have used, but just randomly picked the explorer to drive three hours into the city that day.

He did mention something about them saying something about transmissions.

Either way, they'll have no more business from him.

 

[Jason]

You guys have to remember U-Haul's primary customer is an idiot. An idiot that knows how to call a lawyer. Just buy a trailer off craigslist for a couple hundred bucks and sell it when you are done.

 

[heptofite]

it was because of the roll overs, those roll overs were caused by the tires.

don't go down this road again.

rollovers were not caused by tires, they were caused by idiots driving explorers as if they were cars instead of SUVs.

nothing more, nothing less, the fact that underinflated tires were slinging their tread off is moot.

I drove a b2 that slung the tread off a firestone and in no way came anywhere near rolling it over, and it's far more likely to do so than any explorer.

 

[ufgators68]

don't go down this road again.

rollovers were not caused by tires, they were caused by idiots driving explorers as if they were cars instead of SUVs.

nothing more, nothing less, the fact that underinflated tires were slinging their tread off is moot.

I had a set of the "faulty" Firestones on a '98 Ranger. I rode them til it was time for new tires and did the whole reimbursement thing with Ford.

Never once had a flat or even a low tire.

 

[98RedRanger]

The firestone problem wasn't really due to faulty tires, it was because people didn't inflate them to the right air pressure and it was slinging the tread off them. My dads on his second set of firestones on his F-350 work truck and they never let him down. It's just crucial to keep the air pressure at the right level.

 

[heptofite]

The firestone problem wasn't really due to faulty tires, it was because people didn't inflate them to the right air pressure and it was slinging the tread off them. My dads on his second set of firestones on his F-350 work truck and they never let him down. It's just crucial to keep the air pressure at the right level.

some tires WERE shitty.

i had a firestone on my old ranger, left front.

it was inflated to 40psi (sidewall said to fill to that pressure)

it shook for a while, thought i had a bad u-joint.


Then it slung the tread.

 

[pontiacfieroguy]

some tires WERE shitty.

i had a firestone on my old ranger, left front.

it was inflated to 40psi (sidewall said to fill to that pressure)

it shook for a while, thought i had a bad u-joint.


Then it slung the tread.

it doesnt matter what the sidewall said. inflate to the vehicle manufacturs specifications. the number on the sidewall is the max allowable pressure. in a lighter vehicle like a ranger where that pressure is not needed overinflation will lead to "crowning" wich is a situation where the center of the tread area will wear much much faster than the outer portions of the tread block.

 

[OilPatch197]

Now, Now, the roll overs were ALL Firestone's fault! Faulty tires.

don't go down this road again. rollovers were not caused by tires, they were caused by idiots driving explorers as if they were cars instead of SUVs. nothing more, nothing less, the fact that underinflated tires were slinging their tread off is moot.

The Goodyear tires to the same specification by Ford, had a spotless safety record when installed on the Explorer.

So yes it was the tires! Firestone turned out millions of sub-standard and potentially defective tires.

While neither Ford Explorers nor Firestone tires may be unusually dangerous in their own right, the combination of the two has sometimes proved lethal.

 

[Ranger Kip]

It really all depends on who owns the rental station, here they will rent out to a nissan sentra, as long as it has a tow package, it goes, its your own fault if it breaks.

Just means one less trailer for that station to use for everyone else, and everyone will remember that too.

 

[heptofite]

it doesnt matter what the sidewall said. inflate to the vehicle manufacturs specifications. the number on the sidewall is the max allowable pressure. in a lighter vehicle like a ranger where that pressure is not needed overinflation will lead to "crowning" wich is a situation where the center of the tread area will wear much much faster than the outer portions of the tread block.

sidewall trumps door tag.

or do we want to go back to the explorer tire explosion thing again.

 

[TimV]

Uhaul's policy on their website specifically says they will not let you tow a trailer behind an explorer. Whatever their reason, it is in plain print on the site. I saw it when I went to rent one.

 

[adsm08]

Now, Now, the roll overs were ALL Firestone's fault! Faulty tires.

The roll overs were the CUSTOMER'S fault.

Ford said inflate the tires to 35 PSI. The customer's came back and complained that their SUV, with a SOLID REAR AXLE rode like a truck. So Ford comes back and says "Well, ok, lower the pressure to 32". And the same people came back complaining about it not riding like a crown vic. Those same people came back still complaining, and Ford said, ok, lower it to 29 PSI, but you HAVE to stay on top of tire maintenance.

That satisfied the customers who were complaining about the ride quality, but the same people also didn't keep up with checking their tires, and also didn't know how to handle a tire blow out. When one of their tires blew out because they were driving 80 MPH with a set of tires only inflated to 15 PSI, instead of lightly applying the brakes and trying to hold the wheel steady like they should have, they stomped the brakes and cut the wheel hard in the other direction. Guess what, turns out that instead of bringing the vehicle to a slow, steady stop, doing that causes it to ROLL OVER.

 

[Ranger Kip]

wouldn't you tell the difference between 29 and 15?

 

[OilPatch197]

Ummm, no, do not go by what is stated on the tire. Always keep your tires at the recommended pressure given by the cars manufacturer. This can be found in the glove box, or on the drivers door sill. The maximum tire pressure stated by the manufacture of the car, NOT THE TIRE, is the pressure that should be run.

The roll overs were the CUSTOMER'S fault....

These employees worked the new 12-hour shifts. It was reported that many more tires were scrapped while the replacement workers were building them than when the regular workers built them. Based on this information, it is likely that many tread separations can be traced to these inexperienced and overworked replacement employees.(because of a STRIKE)

It is clear that there were problems at the Decatur plant even before the replacement workers arrived. Former plant employees reported questionable manufacturing processes and quality control occurring well before the 1994 strike, including:
storing green tires on the floor and allowing debris to stick to the tires;
allowing hot and humid conditions inside the plant most of the time;
requiring tire builders to build about 100 tires per hour;
giving tire builders monetary bonuses for exceeding their quotas;
"repairing" blisters or knots in tires before placing them into the stream of commerce; and
failing to inspect, or properly inspect, all tires before placing them into the stream of commerce.

These poor manufacturing practices can lead to manufacturing defects and rubber-interface separation.

These former employees also reported that they used the same stock of green tires for all tire lines, and that tire builders and others in the plant did not change their manufacturing practices among different tire lines. Based on this information, all Firestone tire lines, including those built at plants other than the Decatur plant, may have been manufactured under the same questionable practices. Accordingly, Firestone tires other than those recalled by the company may contain manufacturing defects similar to those in the recalled tires.

Firestone did not identify any specific defects when it announced the recall. A representative said the company had not determined "what, if any, problem there may be with these tires."

This representative noted that the company's review of the relevant data suggested three things. First, the number of reported incidents with the 15-inch Radial ATX and ATX II was higher than with other sizes in this line of tires. Second, the Decatur plant was "overrepresented" in the accident claims and reports compared with the company's other plants. Third, the majority of the incidents occurred in the southernmost states, suggesting a direct correlation between heat and tire performance.

About one month into the recall, a Firestone executive said the company was looking into "variations in the manufacturing process at the Decatur plant" and "the unique design specification" of the recalled tires.

The company's statement regarding an overrepresentation of claims in connection with the Decatur plant and its investigation into manufacturing processes suggest a problem with the practices in this plant.

The actual cause, inexperienced operators at a factory, as the experienced UNION was on strike! I don't blame the customers, I blame Ford/Firestone for giving bad specs TO customers. I also blame Unions, particularly the one on strike, that plant should have not ran with newbies, so can I not hold the Union as responsible as the others?