K&N vs OEM Paper Airfilters

[sweetwaterbroncoII]

Neither has yours. My comment was tongue in cheek, but you don't have the ability to recognize it.

Buying filters, tearing them up and stretching them across your driveway to make some kind of dumb point says a lot about you.

You get on your high horse in some of these threads as if you are lord an master of all things mechanical, and go to the extreme in trying to make some king of inane point.

As I said in my post, it is not always about practicality in the use of a product, it is the mindset of the purchaser.shady

+1 Shady! Bob thinks he is God's gift to engineering!

 

[Sevensecondsuv]

They do make a filter system for the pcv system. I forget what its called Ill find the website. I own one myself. I had it on my maxima for a while. I noticed every 6 months I was dumping an oily type byproduct out of it. Which would normally be getting sucked back into combustion.

you put the hose from the pcv valve into this plastic cylinder that has this special thing inside of it that releases oil and grap from that air is its sucked through the pcv and into the intake.

ok I went and looked at mine. Its called, The condensator. Here is a picture of it installed on someones vehicle.

When I had it on my maxima, I didn't notice any performance gains or any of that. But seeing all of the oily garbage that would build up inside as it filtered it out of the pcv-->intake, really gives you a visual on what gets sucked back into the intake.

There is another method of not letting all the crap get sucked into the intake that is free and doesn't take up any more space. But it is not emissions legal so I won't describe it here. (Hint: anyone with a half a brain could figure out what I'm talking about). Of course this mod is for use on an off-road vehicle only

 

[RumpRanger98]

There is another method of not letting all the crap get sucked into the intake that is free and doesn't take up any more space. But it is not emissions legal so I won't describe it here. (Hint: anyone with a half a brain could figure out what I'm talking about). Of course this mod is for use on an off-road vehicle only

what method would this be? I guess I don't have half a brain. off-road only? how so, probably why ive never heard of it. or the combination of me never owning an off road vehicle and me being stupid

 

[snake]

On a gas engine, it only needs so much air to run, and the factory paper filter does a good job at supplying that amount of air after filtration. The K&N might make more air available, but so what? If it can't use the additional air it is a waste. Plus, the oil and dirt factor may be an issue.

I realize, however, that the properly displayed K&N sticker included in the box can account for a 10 HP gain though.

 

[feellnfroggy]

There is another method of not letting all the crap get sucked into the intake that is free and doesn't take up any more space. But it is not emissions legal so I won't describe it here. (Hint: anyone with a half a brain could figure out what I'm talking about). Of course this mod is for use on an off-road vehicle only

what method would this be? I guess I don't have half a brain. off-road only? how so, probably why ive never heard of it. or the combination of me never owning an off road vehicle and me being stupid

I don't know what he's referring to, but I know some of the dune buggy crowd uses pantyhose over whatever type of filter they use to prevent the really fine sand.

Hey what an awesome idea. Use pantyhose over your K&N's. You will get mad HP and good filtration. LOL

 

[shadetree]

So if the user believes the sticker gives him more power, does that mean it really does?

I'm sure you have read some of the posts in these threads, what do you think? It doesn't matter if it does or doesn't anyway. Many purchases, and not just filters, are made for group acceptance. Everyone of my buds has a K&N, I buy one so I won't be different plus I can now join the pissing contest.

Why do you think long hair, earrings, etc., on males was so widespread? Fads, belonging, being part of something. Of course, there are purchases due to the ignorance factor also, but many don't care.

Every week there is another thread about the K&N. They stretch for several pages with the same arguments. Nothing changes, so why start another one. Just go read one of the old ones, same info, same people arguing.

Speaking of which, it's about time for another Fram thread. Can't wait.shady

Dementia must have set in!!!

Maybe so, but I'm not the one spending money on filters and cutting them open, spreading them across my driveway trying to prove some stupid point that no one cares about anyway.shady

 

[RumpRanger98]

i think the moral to this thread is. If your happy with it, **** everyone else

 

[shadetree]

i think the moral to this thread is. If your happy with it, **** everyone else

Problem is, RR, some on this board simply cannot accept this.shady

 

[Will]

I have a diesel engine with no filter element at all. It would make a very short path on your driveway. It's an oil bath. The K&N also uses oil. How well someone applies the oil matters I suppose.

 

[Bob Ayers]

Maybe so, but I'm not the one spending money on filters and cutting them open, spreading them across my driveway trying to prove some stupid point that no one cares about anyway.shady

Speak for yourself Shady! There have been posts in this thread by people that understand the filter area comparison of the two filters.....maybe someday you will understand!

 

[Bob Ayers]

I don't know what he's referring to, but I know some of the dune buggy crowd uses pantyhose over whatever type of filter they use to prevent the really fine sand.

Hey what an awesome idea. Use pantyhose over your K&N's. You will get mad HP and good filtration. LOL

K&N already has something.....just another indication that they know how much dirt their filter passes!!! For use in "very dusty conditions":

http://www.knfilters.com/search/wrap.aspx

 

[sloue]

nice pics as always bob

i am going to run a k n with a pre filter . you know why ? because they look really f,n cool.and thats it.BTW were can i get one of those horse power stickers i could use anther 10 pony's. maybe i better not bring up e-fans i love this place .

 

[rjppunk]

People will argue that the K&N has bettering filtering qualities (smaller micron filtering).

I used to have a K&N panel filter on my GTI. I didn't notice any difference over the paper filter but I got the K&N as a christmas gift so I used it. I also bought the re-oiling/cleaner kit.

I only use paper filters now since I don't like the idea of having the oil from a K&N ruining my MAF. My intake tract was always oily in my GTI despite following the directions on the re-oiling kit. I never over oiled it, yet my intake tube and MAF always got oily (no, it wasn't blow-by)

BTW: You should post the cost of each filter.

non stock air filters on GTI's lower their performance, same goes for most dubs. Wish I could remember where the dyno was so I could prove it. It messes up the cars tuning

 

[Bob Ayers]

non stock air filters on GTI's lower their performance, same goes for most dubs. Wish I could remember where the dyno was so I could prove it. It messes up the cars tuning

That's true with a lot of cars. Anything that causes turbulence, or causes the air velocity to drop going across the MAF sensor will cause problems.

 

[Bryan22]

taking this from your same post on ranger-forums bob...
From K&N:

"ENGINE PROTECTION LIMITED WARRANTY

Unlike many companies, our warranty for O/E replacement air filters and intake systems does extend beyond the replacement of a defective K&N part. For the original purchaser of the product, our warranty covers any engine damage or related costs incurred as a direct result of the use of a properly installed and maintained K&N O/E replacement air filter or intake system on the specific vehicle for which the product was designed to be used by K&N. This includes reasonable vehicle repair costs, sensor replacements, car rental fees or other incidental expenses directly related to an engine problem caused by the failure of a K&N product. Furthermore, we warrant that using our product will not result in a vehicle warranty denial. K&N will not be responsible for any indirect, consequential, special, contingent, or other damages not listed above............We strive to exceed consumer expectations. Customer service can be reached at 1-800-858-3333."

If the products is so harmful K&N should be kicking down a whole lot more money than it's making rebuilding everyones motor. just some food for thought.