California banning "high" rolling resistant tires

[19Walt93]

My AWD Escape has low rolling resistance and they work fine for us because, being retired, if we get a snow storm we stay home and reschedule any appointments. They wouldn't work well in snow or mud, though.
I'll worry about the gas my Escape- or Mustang and Ranger- use when they ground all the private jets, restrict air travel, and dock all the mega yachts and cruise ships to reduce carbon emissions. Their fuel use is measured in tons.

 

[farmer]

Theres enough exclusions on the requirements that it's more meaningless feel-good legislature that anyone can circumvent.

 

[pjtoledo]

Yes, it's dumb. But, since I live in California I took a look at what is available for "eco" tires. The prices are comparable. Mostly, they wear faster. The wear rate ranges from moderately worse, to slighly less. That is based on the tires that are available now. The biggest issue I see is availability in some sizes. Those of us running stock 14 or 15 inch sizes have just an OK selection at this point. Looking at 225/70/15, there is currently one brand available (Hankook) with two different tires available for that size on Tirerack.com. Of course there are alternate tire sizes that will fit. But, changing the tire size can result in decreasing fuel economy.

There's also the issue of, what if you hit something that causes unrepairable damage? Can one buy a tire that matches the other three? Will one tire with lower rolling resistance cause a vehicle to pull to one side?

I also want to mention that I'm a little more than a 2 hour drive from Reno. So, if I have to, I'll just buy tires there.

until they post check-in guards at the border.

duh, what am I thinkin' , border guards in California

 

[Bill]

until they post check-in guards at the border.

duh, what am I thinkin' , border guards in California

They don't do that, never have. The exception is for agricultural products where they check for agricultural pests.

 

[SenorNoob]

The factory low rolling resistance tires on Brittney's versa were scary. It was like riding a bicycle on ice with hot tires on dry pavement.

 

[Bill]

The factory low rolling resistance tires on Brittney's versa were scary. It was like riding a bicycle on ice with hot tires on dry pavement.

The Continental tires that came with my Ranger when I bought it mostly handled OK. Stopping was good. However, it was really easy to break traction if I was on less than perfect pavement and wanted to take off from a stoplight a little fast. But, they wore out in about 20K miles, so while I kept thinking I should just replace the tires, I had to replace them before it took me the time to decide to. I'm sure they were the cheapest low-rolling resistance tires could find at the time.

 

[SenorNoob]

^That's what her car was like from the factory.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

The more I find out about this the madder I get. It is just so friggin stupid.

 

[Jim Oaks]

Doesn't the California ban exempt 34" and larger tires? Get bigger tires.

It wouldn't surprise me if they make you have to buy tires for your Ford from your Ford dealer and require the dealer to install them.

One on my complaints about the 2019 Ranger when it came out were the Dynapro tires. They didn't choose them because they were a good all terrain tire, they chose them because they met an MPG requirement.

Next thing you know, they'll be lowering speed limits again. My car got 30-31 MPG driving from Texas to Ohio, but the MPG dropped in areas where the speedlimit was 75 MPH.

I'm starting to think the problem with the world is that there's too many people in it. The U.S. population in 1986 was 240M. Today it's 349M. Time to stop putting safety labels on things.

 

[bobbywalter]

Doesn't the California ban exempt 34" and larger tires? Get bigger tires.

It wouldn't surprise me if they make you have to buy tires for your Ford from your Ford dealer and require the dealer to install them.

One on my complaints about the 2019 Ranger when it came out were the Dynapro tires. They didn't choose them because they were a good all terrain tire, they chose them because they met an MPG requirement.

Next thing you know, they'll be lowering speed limits again. My car got 30-31 MPG driving from Texas to Ohio, but the MPG dropped in areas where the speedlimit was 75 MPH.

I'm starting to think the problem with the world is that there's too many people in it. The U.S. population in 1986 was 240M. Today it's 349M. Time to stop putting safety labels on things.

that population was imported.

 

[bobbywalter]

this is just more legalized theft.

its a tax....it is theft of your labor for no reason....this thing they claim is not a rational anything ever.

they learned this from oz

 

[Bill]

Doesn't the California ban exempt 34" and larger tires? Get bigger tires.

It wouldn't surprise me if they make you have to buy tires for your Ford from your Ford dealer and require the dealer to install them.

One on my complaints about the 2019 Ranger when it came out were the Dynapro tires. They didn't choose them because they were a good all terrain tire, they chose them because they met an MPG requirement.

Next thing you know, they'll be lowering speed limits again. My car got 30-31 MPG driving from Texas to Ohio, but the MPG dropped in areas where the speedlimit was 75 MPH.

I'm starting to think the problem with the world is that there's too many people in it. The U.S. population in 1986 was 240M. Today it's 349M. Time to stop putting safety labels on things.

The list of excluded tires are here: https://www.energy.ca.gov/proceeding/replacement-tire-efficiency-program-proceeding

 

[19Walt93]

The list of excluded tires are here: https://www.energy.ca.gov/proceeding/replacement-tire-efficiency-program-proceeding

The list of exclusions include most everything I buy. Sounds like they're making noise to get headlines without accomplishing anything- politics as usual.

 

[Bill]

The list of exclusions include most everything I buy. Sounds like they're making noise to get headlines without accomplishing anything- politics as usual.

They make a lot of noise. Back to Jim's post, yes, there are too many people. I don't know if that is so much a contributing factor to political insanity as much as we have lost checks and balances in our political system. Both at the state level, and Federal. When you have one party, and it doesn't matter which party, stacking courts and commissions, the end-result is what we are witnessing in this country. Legislation is passed because someone thinks it is a good idea, or doesn't like something, and there is no debate around the unintended consequences.


Anyway, there is a list of excluded specialty tires on this webpage.... https://www.energy.ca.gov/proceeding/replacement-tire-efficiency-program-proceeding

wherein, the excluded tire size is on page 33, paragraph 24, of the link to updated express terms. So, it is 34.5 inches.

(24) “Large off-road tire” means a tire with a speed rating of up to and including Q
and not to exceed 99 miles per hour and a minimum diameter of 34.5 inches or more
as measured as the longest distance between two outside edges of the tire on the
same side.


As I was reading stuff about it, I came across the public commentary before it was passed. Overwhelmingly, people opposed the idea. However, since the commission was stacked one-way, it was passed with disregard toward the citizens they represent.

It looks like the link is being hidden for some reason, as it was in my last post.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

The list of exclusions include most everything I buy. Sounds like they're making noise to get headlines without accomplishing anything- politics as usual.

It accomplished making it illegal to sell most of the all terrains on the road in the state of California, that is significant.

The OE 32" all terrain tires on our Bronco would not be legal for sale in the California, we would have to get street tires, upgrade to mud tires with tread depth greater than 9/16" or upsize to at least a 34.5" tire.

Until they figure out everybody is going to MT's and/or upsizing and then they will have to fix that loophole with another law.