What did you do to your Ranger today? (Part Deux!)


What do you think about getting one of these and either running the heater/AC stuff on it, or just tying it into the system on the far side of the check valve, maybe even with a switch where I could only turn it on when I’m climbing a hill?

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A/C vacuum follow up. So I figured for $12, installing the top vacuum pump, above, would be cheap insurance on a hot day when I’m going up a hill. I was thinking this thing was going to be the size of a can of Coca-Cola, because of some of the write up, and also because the vacuum pump on the F250 7.3 is two or three times that big. Then it came in today…

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I put the USB charger in the picture to show the scale of this pump. The diameter is about the size of a quarter, and it’s about 2 inches long.
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My first impression is it sucks. I know, it’s supposed to suck. I didn’t mean that way. What a waste of $12.

I haven’t checked it yet, and I’ll hook it up at my test bench, but I had an afterthought. Does anybody have any experience with these little guys? Would it actually draw enough vacuum to keep the system “topped off“ if I have a small leak?

I don’t want to go to all the trouble of pulling out one of my cigarette lighters, and putting this thing in that hole, and running all the vacuum lines and wires if it’s not going to suck enough.
 
A/C vacuum follow up So I figured for 12 bucks, installing the top vacuum pump, above, would be cheap insurance on a hot day when I’m going up a hill. I was thinking this thing was going to be the size of a can of Coca-Cola, because of some of the write up, and also because the vacuum pump on the F250 7.3 is two or three times that big. Then it came in today…

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I put the USB charger in the picture to show the scale of this pump. The diameter is about the size of a quarter, and it’s about 2 inches long. View attachment 145319

My first impression is it sucks. I know, it’s supposed to suck. I didn’t mean that way. What a waste of $12.

I haven’t checked it yet, and I’ll hook it up at my test bench, but I had an afterthought. Does anybody have any experience with these little guys? Would it actually draw enough vacuum to keep the system “topped off“ if I have a small leak?

I don’t want to go to all the trouble of pulling out one of my cigarette lighters, and putting this thing in that hole, and running all the vacuum lines and wires if it’s not going to suck enough.
So, how much is it rated to flow? And how much vacuum flow do you think you need to maintain "X inches of mercury" amount of vacuum? How much vacuum is enough? Are you going to let it run constantly and burn up? Or will you have a vacuum (negative pressure) switch to control it?

Have you thought about this?

BTW, I think the superduty may have a vacuum switch, because mine doesn't run continuously.
 
So, how much is it rated to flow? And how much vacuum flow do you think you need to maintain "X inches of mercury" amount of vacuum? How much vacuum is enough? Are you going to let it run constantly and burn up? Or will you have a vacuum (negative pressure) switch to control it?

Have you thought about this?

BTW, I think the superduty may have a vacuum switch, because mine doesn't run continuously.

So what are you saying? What are you implying? You’re thinking I should put on my big boy pants and actually do some research on this on my own instead of taking the easy way out and asking TRS? What do you think I am, a chemical engineer?

Oh, wait a minute, I am a chemical engineer. I spent like 100 grand 50 years ago to get that. Maybe I do know something about this. Hmmmm….

Seriously, I just bought the thing because it was cheap after I was researching additional vacuum for an automobile. So now that you’ve publicly shamed me, I reviewed the eBay offering, and there are no specs in that whatsoever. But then I googled that pump, and I found this.

What did you do to your Ranger today? (Part Deux!)


But even knowing this, I have no idea what the specs are on that engine puts out and draws down that line and through that reservoir for the Hvac in the car. That’s why I was hoping someone else might be familiar with it, or know of a pump that might actually do what I wanted to do for a little money.

So, Mr. Hound, are you happy now? Did you get a little jolly out of kicking the old man? Embarrassing me in public? Just wait ‘til you see Lincoln again…
 
So what are you saying? What are you implying? You’re thinking I should put on my big boy pants and actually do some research on this on my own instead of taking the easy way out and asking TRS? What do you think I am, a chemical engineer?

Oh, wait a minute, I am a chemical engineer. I spent like 100 grand 50 years ago to get that. Maybe I do know something about this. Hmmmm….

Seriously, I just bought the thing because it was cheap after I was researching additional vacuum for an automobile. So now that you’ve publicly shamed me, I reviewed the eBay offering, and there are no specs in that whatsoever. But then I googled that pump, and I found this.

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But even knowing this, I have no idea what the specs are on that engine puts out and draws down that line and through that reservoir for the Hvac in the car. That’s why I was hoping someone else might be familiar with it, or know of a pump that might actually do what I wanted to do for a little money.

So, Mr. Hound, are you happy now? Did you get a little jolly out of kicking the old man? Embarrassing me in public? Just wait ‘til you see Lincoln again…
That's what old men do. We kick each other. And since I know you're an engineer, I want to assist you in living up to your potential. No slacking here. I'm a hard-a** that way. At work, I tell the young kids "This is BMW. We need to perform to BMW standards. If You want to act like a Yugo employee, go get a job with GM."

That air flow rate actually sounds pretty decent. You know the reservoir and tubing are probably less than half a liter. It's most likely sufficient.

IF it were mine, I would want to introduce a pressure switch so that it doesn't run continuously. It should last a hundred years, if it only comes on occasionally.
 
That's what old men do. We kick each other. And since I know you're an engineer, I want to assist you in living up to your potential. No slacking here. I'm a hard-a** that way. At work, I tell the young kids "This is BMW. We need to perform to BMW standards. If You want to act like a Yugo employee, go get a job with GM."

That air flow rate actually sounds pretty decent. You know the reservoir and tubing are probably less than half a liter. It's most likely sufficient.

IF it were mine, I would want to introduce a pressure switch so that it doesn't run continuously. It should last a hundred years, if it only comes on occasionally.

Oh yeah??!!??

What you say bounces off me and sticks to you!

I hear you on the pressure switch, but I was thinking of just putting it on one of the switches in my overhead panel because the only time I’ll probably ever turn it on is when I’m pulling that trailer and I’m pushing the limit up hill. AC is working fine and all other circumstances.

So there…
 
That's what old men do. We kick each other. And since I know you're an engineer, I want to assist you in living up to your potential. No slacking here. I'm a hard-a** that way. At work, I tell the young kids "This is BMW. We need to perform to BMW standards. If You want to act like a Yugo employee, go get a job with GM."

That air flow rate actually sounds pretty decent. You know the reservoir and tubing are probably less than half a liter. It's most likely sufficient.

IF it were mine, I would want to introduce a pressure switch so that it doesn't run continuously. It should last a hundred years, if it only comes on occasionally.

I think you said assisted living incorrectly.
 
The wiring for the lights in the bed and the shower tent is complete now. Now it's time to move to cardboard assisted design so I can figure out how I'm going to fit all the equipment for the house battery project into that given space. Then try to figure out if I ordered enough wire, cable, and terminals to complete the project
 
The wiring for the lights in the bed and the shower tent is complete now. Now it's time to move to cardboard assisted design so I can figure out how I'm going to fit all the equipment for the house battery project into that given space. Then try to figure out if I ordered enough wire, cable, and terminals to complete the project

I have no visualization of what this house battery project will entail, but now you’ve mentioned batteries, and you’ve complied that it’s going in a confined space. Are the batteries the kinds that can generate hydrogen gas? How will that be vented so you don’t turn your house into a rocket ship? Just a thought.
 
I think you said assisted living incorrectly.

Afterthought, I upgraded to one of the soup can reservoirs. That has to be around a liter/quart. And this little pump says up to 2 L per minute. When I’m climbing a hill with the trailer with my foot on the floor, it doesn’t just go to heat on the windshield, it takes a little while, so maybe you’re right, maybe this little tiny thing may do the trick.

I’ll rig it in there and do a check when I go to caffeine and octane. See how I slipped in a mention of caffeine and octane? I have to check if it’s still going to be first Sunday since that’s the day after Fourth of July.
 
I have no visualization of what this house battery project will entail, but now you’ve mentioned batteries, and you’ve complied that it’s going in a confined space. Are the batteries the kinds that can generate hydrogen gas? How will that be vented so you don’t turn your house into a rocket ship? Just a thought.
House batteries are what the battery system is called that is separate or mostly separate from the start battery system. Some are setup to charge from the vehicle as well as from solar panels. Some even have a provision for using shore power (a 120 volt AC outlet).

I have roughly about a 24" X 32" area to fit two 100 amp hour AGM batteries in their containment cases (about the same size as a standard vehicle battery), a DC-DC charger with MPPT (So it can charge from the vehicle as well as solar), a 2000 watt inverter, a power monitor, associated waterproof circuit breakers (a 250 amp for power from the battery to the inverter, a 50 amp for the power coming from the vehicle, and a 40 amp coming from the MPPT charger to the batteries), two small fans to cool the DC-DC charger, and a 100 amp power block with fuses for whatever. There will be 15 amp inline fuses from the solar panels to the charger but I expect they will be outside the vehicle. Wires from the vehicle to the charger, between the batteries, and to the inverter will be 4 gauge. The rest will be either 8 gauge or 10 gauge, depending on the power needs to what is being connected.

As far as the hydrogen gas generated from the batteries, there are enough open holes in the bed, plus some gaps in the Softopper to provide ventilation to evacuate the gas. If all kinds of dust can get in, hydrogen can get out. If there is a provision for hooking up a tube to the battery so that the gas can be directly vented out somewhere, I will use it, even if it isn't necessary. But I don't recall there being any.

Just in case, I will try to shoe horn a battery charger that I already have for AGM batteries in there as well. It is pretty small plug in unit (for a battery charger). It is capable of putting out 10 amps and a float charge.

Since the truck does not stay as an overlander year round, I have appropriate sized Anderson connectors on hand so I can disconnect everything fairly easily, rather having to unbolt them, and remove pieces as modules for winter storage.

EDIT: I forgot to mention, the goal is also to install everything so it doesn't block my view out the back window. There being no windows on the side of the Softopper is already a limitation. I don't want to exacerbate that by have little to no view to the rear.
 
Drove my ranger 800 miles today as I relocated. Stopped at alec's shop in Fresno to finally meet this man, and he is a really good guy. I got to see both of his rangers in person, and I enjoyed seeing those and talking with about his rangers. That 89 of his, that truck is solid.
 
wife leaves to go on a cruise today, dropped her off at our friends house last night, by the time we got there the poor rangers tongue was hanging out, its a hilly and windy road to get there and i had the AC on
 
House batteries are what the battery system is called that is separate or mostly separate from the start battery system. Some are setup to charge from the vehicle as well as from solar panels. Some even have a provision for using shore power (a 120 volt AC outlet).

I have roughly about a 24" X 32" area to fit two 100 amp hour AGM batteries in their containment cases (about the same size as a standard vehicle battery), a DC-DC charger with MPPT (So it can charge from the vehicle as well as solar), a 2000 watt inverter, a power monitor, associated waterproof circuit breakers (a 250 amp for power from the battery to the inverter, a 50 amp for the power coming from the vehicle, and a 40 amp coming from the MPPT charger to the batteries), two small fans to cool the DC-DC charger, and a 100 amp power block with fuses for whatever. There will be 15 amp inline fuses from the solar panels to the charger but I expect they will be outside the vehicle. Wires from the vehicle to the charger, between the batteries, and to the inverter will be 4 gauge. The rest will be either 8 gauge or 10 gauge, depending on the power needs to what is being connected.

As far as the hydrogen gas generated from the batteries, there are enough open holes in the bed, plus some gaps in the Softopper to provide ventilation to evacuate the gas. If all kinds of dust can get in, hydrogen can get out. If there is a provision for hooking up a tube to the battery so that the gas can be directly vented out somewhere, I will use it, even if it isn't necessary. But I don't recall there being any.

Just in case, I will try to shoe horn a battery charger that I already have for AGM batteries in there as well. It is pretty small plug in unit (for a battery charger). It is capable of putting out 10 amps and a float charge.

Since the truck does not stay as an overlander year round, I have appropriate sized Anderson connectors on hand so I can disconnect everything fairly easily, rather having to unbolt them, and remove pieces as modules for winter storage.

EDIT: I forgot to mention, the goal is also to install everything so it doesn't block my view out the back window. There being no windows on the side of the Softopper is already a limitation. I don't want to exacerbate that by have little to no view to the rear.

Aha, now some visualization…

My ignorance. Now some slight visualization. When you said “house batteries,” I was thinking this is a system that you are installing in your house, maybe something for backup power in the event of a power outage. Now through my dim “city kid” brain, i’m visualizing a battery system so you have power in your “tent” for camping, where your tent is all that camping equipment you’ve installed in and on your truck. Yes/no?

I’d love to see the pictures as you’re doing it, I assume it will be in your build thread, yes/no?

When you were talking house batteries, I was assuming a standby system for your house. They sell those generators (for a zillion dollars on time) that hook up to your natural gas service to run your house in the event the electric power goes down. I put together the Rick F250 7.3 diesel version of that since every few years we have a big snowstorm, a real Yankee-style snowstorm, that nobody can drive through in Atlanta, and the electric power goes off.

I tied into the hot/neutral/ground that feeds my downstairs furnace with a simple three pole/single throw switch rated for the amperage ($10) which isn’t much. I’m just running the gas heat and not the air conditioning. It also ties into one duplex outlet upstairs in my master bedroom suite (computer, TV and whatever). That switch is in an outside box which has a 2ft long cord with a 110v male plug.

No matter where that 7.3 might be parked in the event of a snowstorm, I can reach it with a 100 foot extension cord. I have a 1500 W inverter on the truck. When I know the storm may be coming, I fill both tanks, 37 gallons total, and if they’re predicting a particularly severe storm, I may fill a 2-3 5-gallon jugs as well. That 7.3 burns 1 to 1.5 gph at idle, and the amperage from the inverter is almost nothing, so you can run that furnace for 37 to 50 hours on its own tanks, and another 5 to 7 1/2 hours for each 5 gallon jug. The only downside is you have to walk out in the cold and plug it in and turn the truck on. Those hour estimates are assuming that you run the furnace continuously. Depending on the storm, I would pick times of the day and cycle it, and I would only run the house at maybe 50°, and also use the fireplaces.

Of course, since I put that little system in, which only took a few hours, we haven’t had much more than a flurry or an overnight snow. Like all things, once you prepare, it’ll never happen again. Or if you say out loud “I should put in one of those systems but I haven’t had the time,” you’ll have a blizzard the next day.

Maybe somebody will be inspired to install their own Rick 7.3 system Anyway, I’m still curious about your system. Keep us posted.
 
Aha, now some visualization…

My ignorance. Now some slight visualization. When you said “house batteries,” I was thinking this is a system that you are installing in your house, maybe something for backup power in the event of a power outage. Now through my dim “city kid” brain, i’m visualizing a battery system so you have power in your “tent” for camping, where your tent is all that camping equipment you’ve installed in and on your truck. Yes/no?

I’d love to see the pictures as you’re doing it, I assume it will be in your build thread, yes/no?

When you were talking house batteries, I was assuming a standby system for your house. They sell those generators (for a zillion dollars on time) that hook up to your natural gas service to run your house in the event the electric power goes down. I put together the Rick F250 7.3 diesel version of that since every few years we have a big snowstorm, a real Yankee-style snowstorm, that nobody can drive through in Atlanta, and the electric power goes off.

I tied into the hot/neutral/ground that feeds my downstairs furnace with a simple three pole/single throw switch rated for the amperage ($10) which isn’t much. I’m just running the gas heat and not the air conditioning. It also ties into one duplex outlet upstairs in my master bedroom suite (computer, TV and whatever). That switch is in an outside box which has a 2ft long cord with a 110v male plug.

No matter where that 7.3 might be parked in the event of a snowstorm, I can reach it with a 100 foot extension cord. I have a 1500 W inverter on the truck. When I know the storm may be coming, I fill both tanks, 37 gallons total, and if they’re predicting a particularly severe storm, I may fill a 2-3 5-gallon jugs as well. That 7.3 burns 1 to 1.5 gph at idle, and the amperage from the inverter is almost nothing, so you can run that furnace for 37 to 50 hours on its own tanks, and another 5 to 7 1/2 hours for each 5 gallon jug. The only downside is you have to walk out in the cold and plug it in and turn the truck on. Those hour estimates are assuming that you run the furnace continuously. Depending on the storm, I would pick times of the day and cycle it, and I would only run the house at maybe 50°, and also use the fireplaces.

Of course, since I put that little system in, which only took a few hours, we haven’t had much more than a flurry or an overnight snow. Like all things, once you prepare, it’ll never happen again. Or if you say out loud “I should put in one of those systems but I haven’t had the time,” you’ll have a blizzard the next day.

Maybe somebody will be inspired to install their own Rick 7.3 system Anyway, I’m still curious about your system. Keep us posted.
Yes, it will be in the build thread. I'll explain things as I go.
 

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