Looks like Saleen got screwed by the Chinese government

[Jim Oaks]

Looks like Steve Saleen tried to go global and build a company in China only to have the Chinese seize his company and file patents for his intellectual properties without listing him as the inventor.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/china-coronavirus-nationalize-america-owned-car-company

 

[PetroleumJunkie412]

Revenge for tiktok.

 

[Dirtman]

China ripped off the bronco before the bronco was even released. Why would anyone try to work with them, especially from ford? They have zero obligation to follow a foreign countries patent/copyright laws so it's simply a bad decision to work with them. It sucks, but I don't feel bad for him. It's not like it was a big secret that china sucks...

 

[Jim Oaks]

China has been ripping off the USA for years. You have to be careful that you don't buy something on Amazon that's a Chinese knock off. They blatantly reproduce things and don't even try to alter its appearance.

This happened June 30th. Sounds like it started before that. Not sure when the TikTok drama started.

With the way things have been going in China, I don't trust them.

I remember back in the late 80's when I started in law enforcement, someone from the Department of Defense told me that there wouldn't be any wars like we had seen in the past, and that our biggest threat was terrorism. That turned out to be true.

Today I would say that our greatest threat is social media based terrorism. Those wishing to use social media as a weapon fall back on the 1st amendment of freedom of speech to keep anyone from stopping them.

Social media is the battleground of today and the future.

I think some of this really came to light with Cambridge Analytica. They used social media to influence people and control elections.

Even facebook has been accused by the United Nations in 2018 of fueling the genocide in Myanmar.

Twitter is probably the biggest hate spreader. Look at all the protests happening that are continually fueled by social media. Outsiders will use our own constitution and social media to create turmoil and violence in this country. Terrorism has found a new platform. Our constitution protects it.

So back to the TikTok issue, It seems like the concern is that data it collects from its millions of users may end up in the hands of the Chinese government. Clearly Saleen's case can serve as an example of how the Chinese government can go in and take over a company and it's intellectual properties.

 

[Dirtman]

I blame Nixon...

Sure, open up relations with China, what could go wrong...

 

[sgtsandman]

Like previously stated. It’s bot secret who China is and what they do. It’s like grabbing a tiger by the tail. Chances are very good it isn’t going to end well for the tail grabber. I don’t feel sorry for him.

 

[lil_Blue_Ford]

Can’t say that I am surprised, China has a long history of doing whatever they want and figuring that nobody will stop them.

Once in awhile they get the knock-off right, I’ve been told that the low-speed drills that Harbor Freight is selling are the old Black & Decker ones, the kind that when you let off the trigger it will still make a couple revs and take you with it if it’s stuck. But most of the time they butcher it. I’ve broke three 3/8” breaker bars from HF and never had a cheater pipe on it. My 1/2” Craftsman I not only had a long cheater pipe on, but jumped up and down on the end of the cheater. It didn’t care. It’s not all that much beefier, but IIRC it was made in the USA instead of China....

 

[adsm08]

With the way things have been going in China, I don't trust them.

I haven't trusted China since 1295.

 

[Snoranger]

I haven't trusted China since 1295.

You’re a little older than I thought you were.

 

[Curious Hound]

China?

I use Chinet

 

[RonD]

It all started back in 600AD or so, when western visitors stole silk worm eggs so ended the dependence on China for silk, and then got the secret of gun power out in late 1300's
So China closed it boarders to visitors for the most part, lol.

"Sauce for the goose", so westerners approve of stealing industrial secrets/technology if its in their own interests

So no you should never trust China, or any other country for that matter, lol, because their best interest is by any definition the correct way to proceed.

If you don't protect your secrets/technology then that's YOUR choice, my choice is to do whats best for ME, thats western philosophy as taught to the rest of the world, China learned that

You can get more done with cooperation until you can't, thats when the chips fly and fall where they may

EDIT:
That deal Saleen and Wang did looked a little "too good to be true", not surprised they went for it, but they really had no leverage once the designs were done and the plant was built
"Good faith" is a virtuous human trait, and failing, and worth the paper is not written on

Never forget the moral of The scorpion and frog story

A scorpion, which cannot swim, asks a frog to carry it across a river on the frog's back.
The frog hesitates, afraid of being stung by the scorpion, but the scorpion argues that if it did that, they would both drown.
The frog considers this argument sensible and agrees to transport the scorpion.
Midway across the river, the scorpion stings the frog anyway, dooming them both.
The dying frog asks the scorpion why it stung despite knowing the consequence, to which the scorpion replies:
"I couldn't help it. It's in my nature."

The Scorpion is not evil, nor is any government, but "it is their nature" to do things that others would consider Evil

 

[Ramcharger90]

Putting Muslims in concentration camps, Harvesting the organs of Christians and Falun Gong practitioners, Blatantly stealing American and European Intellectual property, Violating human rights for last 60+ years of its citizens and those in and around the area. Land grabs, Ocean grabs, Putting spies in our institutions for the last 4 decades, Turning low earth orbit into a shrapnel field. Dont even get me started on the silk road....
Or the way they "sell" infrastructure to poor African nations.

And the list goes on and on and on.....

The problem is how do we get the entire world against them? yes, including Russia and Pakistan....

 

[Dirtman]

The problem is how do we get the entire world against them? yes, including Russia and Pakistan....

I actually have a plan for this. It involves putting the Berlin wall back up, Selling California to the Australians, Alaska to the Japanese, and weaponizing bats.

 

[Ramcharger90]

It all started back in 600AD or so, when western visitors stole silk worm eggs so ended the dependence on China for silk, and then got the secret of gun power out in late 1300's
So China closed it boarders to visitors for the most part, lol.

"Sauce for the goose", so westerners approve of stealing industrial secrets/technology if its in their own interests

So no you should never trust China, or any other country for that matter, lol, because their best interest is by any definition the correct way to proceed.

If you don't protect your secrets/technology then that's YOUR choice, my choice is to do whats best for ME, thats western philosophy as taught to the rest of the world, China learned that

You can get more done with cooperation until you can't, thats when the chips fly and fall where they may

EDIT:
That deal Saleen and Wang did looked a little "too good to be true", not surprised they went for it, but they really had no leverage once the designs were done and the plant was built
"Good faith" is a virtuous human trait, and failing, and worth the paper is not written on

Never forget the moral of The scorpion and frog story


The Scorpion is not evil, nor is any government, but "it is their nature" to do things that other would consider Evil

All though I agree with the point you are drawing from a historical perspective. Thats no excuse, The CCP hasn't been around long enough for those grievances to be legitimate. They imposed communism on them selves after a pure evil assault from Imperial Japan. The only reason the PLA survived WW2 was they hid like cowards and waited for the war to be over to strick.

 

[Ramcharger90]

I actually have a plan for this. It involves putting the Berlin wall back up, Selling California to the Australians, Alaska to the Japanese, and weaponizing bats.

Sounds legit.... I would rather sink California... You know, if only it was an island then we could just move everyone to one side and it will tip over.... kinda like that sitting congressman thought that about Guam.