More Bronco hear say.

[Ramcharger90]

I guess this means there may be one at Ford Nationals if they "unveil" it on the 9th.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/ford-mustang-owners-file-class-162100607.html

Exactly the same issues the 5 speed getrag transmission in my 2006 Chevy Cobalt had and resulted in a 15,000 mile transmission rebuild, and it wasn't any better after that. Guess they just couldn't stand having anything that may last a couple decades so they decided to purchase Volkswagen reject transmissions to use in GM and Ford products....now they're adding a 7th "Crawler" gear so they can use it in a vehicle being marketed for "offroad" use...it didn't hold up behind a little 4 cylinder GM car, how does Ford figure on adding 2 more gears and thinking its going to hold up in offroad operation. Hope it comes with a lifetime replacement plan because it'll be needed at least once a year, possibly even more frequent in the offroad applications. How about just a regular 5 speed manual like the Rangers used to have. Put a 4:1 or lower low range in the transfer case if you want to crawl.

"among other problems, the transmission slips, jerks, clashes gears, and harshly engages; has premature internal wear, increased shift efforts, inability to drive, and eventually suffers a catastrophic failure."

How exactly does a manual transmission slip?

Every problem listed sounds like a clutch issue and/or operator error.

Clutch doesn't doesn't hold and slips burning up or warping the disk which could cause the clutch not to release fully. Or the clutch might just not release correctly (separate issue). Either way clutch not releasing fully will cause it to clash gears as the syncros take the brunt trying to make things work (shift hard/weird) until they can't and you start chipping teeth... and then catastrophic failure.

Either way it is obviously not the same trans as what they put in a little crapbox Chevy. For one thing one is FWD and the other is not. For another thing one has 260hp (SS) and one has over 400hp (GT) so why would they be the same anything?

My brother has 25k on his '11 GT, with a couple tours down a dragstrip doing things no stock Cobalt could think of and it shifts the same as the day it came in off the truck.

The old M5OD couldn't take much for power. The R2 is kind of like the weird 80's plethora of manuals the Ranger had but for fullsizes. Everybody that has one with big tires and/or big power secretly wants to upgrade to a ZF (in place of the RBV crowd wanting the M5ODR1)

Ford wouldn't even put the R2 behind my 5.4, what the heck do you think a 2.7EB would do to one?

 

[Ramcharger90]

How exactly does a manual transmission slip?

Every problem listed sounds like a clutch issue and/or operator error.

Clutch doesn't doesn't hold and slips burning up or warping the disk which could cause the clutch not to release fully. Or the clutch might just not release correctly (separate issue). Either way clutch not releasing fully will cause it to clash gears as the syncros take the brunt trying to make things work (shift hard/weird) until they can't and you start chipping teeth... and then catastrophic failure.

Either way it is obviously not the same trans as what they put in a little crapbox Chevy. For one thing one is FWD and the other is not. For another thing one has 260hp (SS) and one has over 400hp (GT) so why would they be the same anything?

My brother has 25k on his '11 GT, with a couple tours down a dragstrip doing things no stock Cobalt could think of and it shifts the same as the day it came in off the truck.

The old M5OD couldn't take much for power. The R2 is kind of like the weird 80's plethora of manuals the Ranger had but for fullsizes. Everybody that has one with big tires and/or big power secretly wants to upgrade to a ZF (in place of the RBV crowd wanting the M5ODR1)

Ford wouldn't even put the R2 behind my 5.4, what the heck do you think a 2.7EB would do to one?

It could be a bent fork maybe its slipping out of gear? Idk I didnt read all the posts

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

It could be a bent fork maybe its slipping out of gear? Idk I didnt read all the posts

And maybe the fork bent because somebody was trying to cram it in gear without the clutch fully disengaged

 

[Snoranger]

And maybe the fork bent because somebody was trying to cram it in gear without the clutch fully disengaged

You’re supposed to use the clutch?! I thought you just rip it into the next gear at full throttle.

 

[Dirtman]

Wtf is a clutch

 

[Ramcharger90]

You’re supposed to use the clutch?! I thought you just rip it into the next gear at full throttle.

And maybe the fork bent because somebody was trying to cram it in gear without the clutch fully disengaged

Its called floating.... DUH!!!

 

[Ramcharger90]

Wtf is a clutch

A thing that is goes friction

 

[Snoranger]

I just read that July 9th is OJ Simpson’s birthday...

 

[Uncle Gump]

I just read that July 9th is OJ Simpson’s birthday...

Oh good lord... I sure it wasn't planned that way.

Did you read that on 6G?

 

[sgtsandman]

Wtf is a clutch

It's what you do to the pearls when shocked or dismayed about something.

 

[wildbill23c]

How exactly does a manual transmission slip?

Every problem listed sounds like a clutch issue and/or operator error.

Clutch doesn't doesn't hold and slips burning up or warping the disk which could cause the clutch not to release fully. Or the clutch might just not release correctly (separate issue). Either way clutch not releasing fully will cause it to clash gears as the syncros take the brunt trying to make things work (shift hard/weird) until they can't and you start chipping teeth... and then catastrophic failure.

Either way it is obviously not the same trans as what they put in a little crapbox Chevy. For one thing one is FWD and the other is not. For another thing one has 260hp (SS) and one has over 400hp (GT) so why would they be the same anything?

My brother has 25k on his '11 GT, with a couple tours down a dragstrip doing things no stock Cobalt could think of and it shifts the same as the day it came in off the truck.

The old M5OD couldn't take much for power. The R2 is kind of like the weird 80's plethora of manuals the Ranger had but for fullsizes. Everybody that has one with big tires and/or big power secretly wants to upgrade to a ZF (in place of the RBV crowd wanting the M5ODR1)

Ford wouldn't even put the R2 behind my 5.4, what the heck do you think a 2.7EB would do to one?

Slips when the clutch isn't fully engaged, or out of adjustment, not sure how since its hydraulic, but I guess may be possible....who knows that thing was a pile of shit from the beginning, should have kept my 89 Mazda B2600i 4x4, as far as I know it still had the original clutch at 300k+ miles...how I have no idea, but I never changed it in the 14 years I had it.

Any idea what the heck the new Getrag will be? New design? Adding gears to a current design? Hope its better than other Getrags I've driven because I haven't found one yet that is good, makes the old TK5, and M5OD seem like great transmissions LOL.

So with my Cobalt, my assumption was since I could shut the car off and put it into 1st and reverse, but most times I couldn't with the car running was it had something to do with the clutch hydraulics, and I'm about certain that's the only explanation, but given how it did and the dealership refusing to mess with it until they were forced to under warranty it wasn't releasing all the way which is what led to the demise of the 2nd and 3rd gear syncros which are plastic BTW. After the transmission was rebuilt it shifted extremely hard, like they over-tightened every part of the shifter mechanism LOL. I drove it to Utah and back about 800 miles round trip shortly after the rebuild, by the time I got home it was doing the same thing, not shifting into 1st or reverse with the car running, and was starting to grind between 2nd and 3rd again...So what I figured was it wasn't actually a transmission issue in the beginning but rather a clutch/hydraulic issue, neither of which the dealer ever fixed...I was glad to get rid of that car....not only was the transmission junk/the clutch/hydraulic system, but the electrical system was well worse than Chrysler vehicles LOL.

I hope they offer a more basic 2 door Bronco that's affordable, I imagine most are going to be overloaded with junk that several people wouldn't really want...I for one wouldn't want the dang touch screen crap, just give me buttons, switches and knobs for the radio and HVAC controls LOL. There's 2 different versions of the Bronco coming, are both based on the Ranger platform? Any of the Rangers out now that don't have the touch screen stuff? Or are we stuck with that now regardless? I just want a bare bones one LOL....not into fancy stuff in a vehicle that's supposed to be offroad based.

Fingers crossed they at least offer something more basic. At least in their 2 door offroad models, the least amount of electronic gadgets the better they'll hold up in the future...all that stuff looks cute now but wait till it gets wet, bounced around offroad, etc. its going to be one massive electronics/electrical gremlin problem...we think our old RBV's are bad with what little electronics they have, just imagine the fun trying to sort through this new stuff LOL.

 

[wildbill23c]

A thing that is goes friction

At least that's the idea till they wear out or people tear them up LOL. Saw one a while back somewhere that had no friction material left just rivets, could only imagine how that friction plate looked...YIKES!!

 

[1990RangerinSK]

Slips when the clutch isn't fully engaged, or out of adjustment, not sure how since its hydraulic, but I guess may be possible....who knows that thing was a pile of shit from the beginning, should have kept my 89 Mazda B2600i 4x4, as far as I know it still had the original clutch at 300k+ miles...how I have no idea, but I never changed it in the 14 years I had it.

Any idea what the heck the new Getrag will be? New design? Adding gears to a current design? Hope its better than other Getrags I've driven because I haven't found one yet that is good, makes the old TK5, and M5OD seem like great transmissions LOL.

So with my Cobalt, my assumption was since I could shut the car off and put it into 1st and reverse, but most times I couldn't with the car running was it had something to do with the clutch hydraulics, and I'm about certain that's the only explanation, but given how it did and the dealership refusing to mess with it until they were forced to under warranty it wasn't releasing all the way which is what led to the demise of the 2nd and 3rd gear syncros which are plastic BTW. After the transmission was rebuilt it shifted extremely hard, like they over-tightened every part of the shifter mechanism LOL. I drove it to Utah and back about 800 miles round trip shortly after the rebuild, by the time I got home it was doing the same thing, not shifting into 1st or reverse with the car running, and was starting to grind between 2nd and 3rd again...So what I figured was it wasn't actually a transmission issue in the beginning but rather a clutch/hydraulic issue, neither of which the dealer ever fixed...I was glad to get rid of that car....not only was the transmission junk/the clutch/hydraulic system, but the electrical system was well worse than Chrysler vehicles LOL.

I hope they offer a more basic 2 door Bronco that's affordable, I imagine most are going to be overloaded with junk that several people wouldn't really want...I for one wouldn't want the dang touch screen crap, just give me buttons, switches and knobs for the radio and HVAC controls LOL. There's 2 different versions of the Bronco coming, are both based on the Ranger platform? Any of the Rangers out now that don't have the touch screen stuff? Or are we stuck with that now regardless? I just want a bare bones one LOL....not into fancy stuff in a vehicle that's supposed to be offroad based.

Fingers crossed they at least offer something more basic. At least in their 2 door offroad models, the least amount of electronic gadgets the better they'll hold up in the future...all that stuff looks cute now but wait till it gets wet, bounced around offroad, etc. its going to be one massive electronics/electrical gremlin problem...we think our old RBV's are bad with what little electronics they have, just imagine the fun trying to sort through this new stuff LOL.

lol So, the clutch was shot, and you're STILL blaming the transmission? I'm going to go out on a limb, here, and suspect that the problem WASN'T faulty design, or anything like that. I'm guessing that (ESPECIALLY since the clutch failed again in less than 800 miles), you don't know how to use a clutch.

I can't confirm, but I suspect my 2003 Pontiac Sunfire also had a Getrag manual transmission. When I got the car, it had 63,000km on it (about 40,000 miles). It had 45,000 on it when I sold it. That transmission shifted like butter for the entire time I owned the car, and it took a little abuse, too.

 

[Dirtman]

My 2003 cavalier had a getrag... It went in the shredder with 170,000 miles on it. It only had the clutch replaced once and still shifted fine the day it became beer cans. I drove that car like it owed me money.