Serious "stock" 4x4 camber issue! Please help!

Paleoman · Mar 13, 2010

I have a 94 Ranger 4x4 that was (so I was told) run into a ditch.

The damaged driver side radius arm bushing bracket and both radius arm bushings were replaced. Those where the only parts that showed any kind of damage.

All the upper and lower ball joints seem tight.

The camber was adjusted all the way to get it from / \ to | | .
Problem is this...
* When you back up the truck, the camber changes from | | back to / \.
* When you pull forward, it corrects (but not totally).

1. Why would the camber change so much from reverse to forward?
2. What other adjustments could I be missing besides the upper B.J. cam?
3. What other parts could be wacked?

PS: I can not attach photos

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Thanks in advance! Mark

Sasquatch_Ryda · Mar 13, 2010

The front toe setting will cause that if it is outta whack.

Ranger44 · Mar 14, 2010

Exactly what I was going to say.

The toe needs to be set.

I've experienced this 1st hand. When you back up it goes \ / and when I'd go forward it'd go all / \ . Had it aligned and voila!

Doom's Day Custom · Mar 14, 2010

Check out the radius arm bushing and the mount to see if the hole oblong ed

01_ranger_4x4 · Mar 14, 2010

Sasquatch_Ryda said:
The front toe setting will cause that if it is outta whack.

X2 and if the radius arm bushings are shot in can allow that to happen as well.

fordtrucknut77 · Mar 14, 2010

it is often overlooked, but check the bushings and brackets on the ttb beam. i have heard many times of the bushing in the beam getting worn out...even if never being wrecked and it will cause this.

Paleoman · Mar 14, 2010

Doom's Day Custom, I have replaced the driver side radius arm bushing bracket and both R and L bushings. I will begin to check all those things you guys noted. Thanks so much for all your help and any other thoughts would be great too!
Mark

Ranger44 · Mar 14, 2010

Doom's Day Custom said:
Check out the radius arm bushing and the mount to see if the hole oblong ed

01_ranger_4x4 said:
X2 and if the radius arm bushings are shot in can allow that to happen as well.

You 2 need to pay attention to his original post. He had replaced both things mentioned.

fordtrucknut77 said:
it is often overlooked, but check the bushings and brackets on the ttb beam. i have heard many times of the bushing in the beam getting worn out...even if never being wrecked and it will cause this.

How would worn beam bushings cause camber issues? I'd think it'd mess with caster more than anything?

Though I didn't really offer anything to check......so......A bent steering linkage (probably the big drag link) causing an incorrect toe setting will more than likely be the cause. People damage these off-road all the time.

01_ranger_4x4 · Mar 14, 2010

Ranger44 said:
You 2 need to pay attention to his original post. He had replaced both things mentioned.

geeze, relax a little, i missed that aparently, i will try and be more perfect next time.

Paleoman · Mar 14, 2010

Ranger44 said:
How would worn beam bushings cause camber issues? I'd think it'd mess with caster more than anything?

Just a question...if the bushings do have slop in them, wouldn't it cause the arm to "squat out" causing / \ ... - camber?

Just not too sure. Gonna take a serious look at it Monday morn.

Ranger44 · Mar 14, 2010

01_ranger_4x4 said:
geeze, relax a little, i missed that aparently, i will try and be more perfect next time.

I'm just a little OCD....I mean CDO..... :icon_twisted:

Paleoman said:
Just a question...if the bushings do have slop in them, wouldn't it cause the arm to "squat out" causing / \ ... - camber?

Just not too sure. Gonna take a serious look at it Monday morn.

I really don't think it's your problem, and they really wouldn't slop out that much.

BUT, I'm not saying you shouldn't check the brackets, and/or axle pivot bushings for the beams. If the vehicle was damaged, they should be checked regardless.

01_ranger_4x4 · Mar 14, 2010

Ranger44 said:
I'm just a little OCD....I mean CDO.....

lol

Nhaz · Mar 14, 2010

When I destroyed my front end last year one of the things that I discovered was the main rivets holding the drop bracket on the cross member had been worked lose. I ended up having to blow them out with a torch and bolt the bracket back to the cross member.

Also tie rod ends they may seem fine. Do this: Grab the tie rod and tilt it forward and back. If you can do this EASILY or with Little force chances are the tie rod ends are worn out. You can get cheap tie rod ends for about 20 bucks.

Not too probable: The rubber grommet/bushing whatever the heck its called In the Pivot point on the TTB at the drop bracket. If those are worn out it may be possible to see some funky tire angles =>

4x4junkie · Mar 16, 2010

Just to further back up what the others have said, it's definitely your toe alignment (specifically, the wheels are toed-in if it swats when you reverse, and raises when you go forward). Bad pivot bushings can cause some negative camber yes, but it wouldn't cause it to change when you change directions (nor would it affect caster).

fordtrucknut77 · Mar 16, 2010

Paleoman said:
I have a 94 Ranger 4x4 that was (so I was told) run into a ditch.

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Problem is this...
* When you back up the truck, the camber changes from | | back to / \.
* When you pull forward, it corrects (but not totally).

Thanks in advance! Mark

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