!Warning! This could be the day:

[shane96ranger]

RangerMtnHigh I hope the best for you and others who believe Harold Camping. He is false,I hope you will know this in 5 days and not accept whatever excuse he gives as why the "end" didn't happen.

+1

Camping already predicted September 7th in 1994 as "the end". May 21st 2011 is his 2nd guess.

When will his 3rd guess be?

 

[RangerMtnHigh]

Here's the thing, the math makes perfect sense and the "no man shall know the day" business is true because nobody knows anything in religion, its all faith. If it doesn't happen I'll be very surprised, if it does happen I won't be surprised. Nothing has changed for me, I still live a good life and always will and I believe every word in the bible and Harold has always helped people learn the bible better and maybe he shouldn't try making prophecies but I think there is still a lot to take away from his programs and writings.

 

[ZMan]

 

[JoshT]

First off I don't believe that May 21st of this year will be the end of days, the world, or what ever you wish to call it. I do believe that it will probably be the end of my work week, and the day before I go pick-up the DJM Beams, Drop Springs, Axle Flip Brackets and 95-97 brake components to install on the 86 I'm rebuilding.

I think I may have gone to the front of the church during my childhood and did the prayer, but can't really remember. I grew up as a southern baptist, but I was never baptized. I stopped attending church regularly at about 17, and by the time I was 20 about the only times I went was for a wedding. That said I do believe in God, and do accept Jesus as my Lord and Savior. I also believe that when I die I will go to heaven.



RustedRanger has said the following a few times:

1 Thessalonians 5:4 But you aren't in the dark about these things, dear brothers and sisters,and you wont be surprised when the day of the Lord comes like a thief in the night.

I may be reading this out of context, but it appears to me that he is suggesting that we will know beforehand when that day will be. I accept that the bible said that the end of days is coming, but also recognize that we will not know the day or time of his arrival. I would like to present a different meaning of this, and this is simply my own views of this verse not from anyone else. It is not saying that we will know when the Lord will arrive but that we will be prepared for his arrival because we know it is coming. We have been forewarned that it will happen, so we are expecting it when the time arrives. It will not be a surprise because we already know that he is coming, and when we see him we will know him, and know that that is the day. (bold/italicized only to differentiate from rest text) Now I'm not good at putting my thoughts to paper (or web post) but I hope that what I was trying to say is clear enough. Of course I will also add that I hope (and should probably be praying) that day will not come in my lifetime, or my children's (if I ever have any) or grand children's (same as previous) lifetimes.

On other subject brought up in this post. It was mentioned that when we arrive in heaven we will be given what our heart desires. I know that the Lord knows what our heart desires. I on the other hand have no clue. I know what it should desire, and this is to come to know God and Jesus better, but what it actually desires I really don't know. So will anyone else be surprised by what they receive?

 

[doorgunner]

JoshT........we don't EVEN have an idea of the things waiting for us....just the beauty of Heaven is overwhelming....the atmosphere is so pure that the "air" actually sparkles....the countryside is mancured like a professional golf course....ther is no nighttime--so no one EVER gets tired or sad...everyone is 20 years old & always in perfect health....plus many more things...

 

[doorgunner]

The Easterners (India?) predicted the end of the world about 30-40 years ago....several thousand of them were so sure it would happen, that they threw themselves into the local river and drowned themselves!!!

In the '80s, some pastor here in the U.S. guaranteed the end was coming...his followers actually bought expesive cars, boats, homes, etc., thinkung that they would never have to repay the loans....WRONG!!!!!!

Now this guy makes another try at the forecast....I'm hoping he's right....but I'm certain he's wrong....

 

[RustedRanger]

We are saved by faith....we also believe the bible is truth by faith,but the info given us in the bible is being proved true more and more as time passes. The verse in 1st Thessalonians isn't saying we will know the exact time but that those who are looking for His return and paying attention to the signs(and the signs of the times) will not be surprised. We can know for sure the time is very very near when Israel prepares to sign a 7 year peace deal,when it is signed the 7 years of the tribulation begins. Daniel 9:26 After this period of 62 sets of 7 (set of 7 is 7 years),the Anointed One(Jesus) will be killed,appearing to have accomplished nothing (the Jews expected the Messiah to set up an earthly Kingdom right then), and a ruler will arise (the anti christ/beast) whose armies will destroy the city (Jerusalem) and the Temple (the one yet to be rebuilt). The end will come with a flood,and war and it's miseries are decreed from that time to the very end. verse 27 He will make a treaty with the people for a period of one set of seven,but after half this time,he will put an end to the sacrifices and offerings. The as a climax to all his terrible deeds,he will set up a sacriligious object (the statue of the beast in Revelation 13), until the end that has been decreed is poured out on this defiler. Many think of the Anti-Christ,Beast,Mr. 666 as some horrible monster,which he will be but he will come bringing "peace",this "peace" will last for the first 3 and 1/2 years of the Tribulation,then all Hell will literally break loose.

 

[RangerMtnHigh]

Christ provided a list of events which would generally alert us when the time was near -- and, basically, those events seemed to have occurred. (1) "The leafing of the fig tree," Matthew 24:32-33, would have been the re-establishment of Israel in 1948. (2) "The abominable destructive thing on holy ground" would have been the installation of nuclear-tipped ballistic missiles by Israel in the 1980s. (3) "Woe" -- a threat, not words of pity -- "to pregnant women and nursing mothers in those days," Matthew 24:19, seems to single out the Pro-Choice Movement itself as an End Times sign. (4) "It will be like Sodom in those days," a reduction of Luke 17:28-30, seems to refer to the 2003 Supreme Court decision striking down laws against sodomy, and growth of homosexual marriage. Finally, (5) Paul's assurance at 2 Thessalonians 2:3 that "the apostasy" or "great falling away" must come first seems to refer to current collapse of church attendance.

 

[Mac]

Just looked at the calender.................Tick,Tick,Tick
Dave of the Nord

 

[doorgunner]

Christ provided a list of events which would generally alert us when the time was near -- and, basically, those events seemed to have occurred. (1) "The leafing of the fig tree," Matthew 24:32-33, would have been the re-establishment of Israel in 1948. (2) "The abominable destructive thing on holy ground" would have been the installation of nuclear-tipped ballistic missiles by Israel in the 1980s. (3) "Woe" -- a threat, not words of pity -- "to pregnant women and nursing mothers in those days," Matthew 24:19, seems to single out the Pro-Choice Movement itself as an End Times sign. (4) "It will be like Sodom in those days," a reduction of Luke 17:28-30, seems to refer to the 2003 Supreme Court decision striking down laws against sodomy, and growth of homosexual marriage. Finally, (5) Paul's assurance at 2 Thessalonians 2:3 that "the apostasy" or "great falling away" must come first seems to refer to current collapse of church attendance.

good points! Let's keep this thread going a few more days!!!

Annnnnnnnnnnnnd....in the event that the EVENT doesn't take place....let's keep providing Biblical info....

Orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...in the event the the Event does happen, lets continue praying until that Day that we will be found worthy of Salvation

 

[Boggin]

JoshT........we don't EVEN have an idea of the things waiting for us....just the beauty of Heaven is overwhelming....the atmosphere is so pure that the "air" actually sparkles....the countryside is mancured like a professional golf course....ther is no nighttime--so no one EVER gets tired or sad...everyone is 20 years old & always in perfect health....plus many more things...

think we will have cars on the streets of gold? im sure there will be lots to do, but a nice drive is still a good thing to have

 

[doorgunner]

think we will have cars on the streets of gold? im sure there will be lots to do, but a nice drive is still a good thing to have

Why..................I'm glad you asked! I had a dream that I was in heaven looking at my vehicle.....instead of red paint--it was coated with a red ruby...I got into it to drive it and was looking at the dash gauges, when someone got into the passenger's seat......it was Jesus! I thanked him for the vehicle....He said to take him for a ride....I pressed on the accelerator & it took off...but there was no sound coming from the engine/exhausts....I asked Jesus about the quietness of the vehicle.....

He laughed........and said.....................It runs on love!



(then the dream ended)

 

[Boggin]

cool! a dream like that would trip me out

 

[redneckfordranger1986]

Now.......dats what I like about (Dis)organized religion....they're always ready to cash in on SOMETHING....waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahhahahaaaaaaaaa


You guys that hate chrisitanity---I completely understand why....

It's ******* lowlife ******** preachers who thin they know squat that ruin what Jesus (no....not heysooz) did....

He just wants to give us a place to ride our RBVs forever....with no breakdowns.....that's right....no breakdowns....(don't be disappointed ...you can always spend the spare time adding accessories)



sweet i would soo go down to branson mo for a trs get together meet !!!

Pigeon Forge is closer for me.....but hey....I get to spend more time sightseeing in the Ranger by driving to Branson


And another thing.....Heaven ain't like all these wine-headed idiot preachers twist it around to be....it's great....and Jesus (no....not Heysooz) is the best friend you could ever have....He has the keys to the Ford Factory/Parts Room!


EDIT: you'll have to excuse me...I get all pumped up just thinkin about the Place!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/QUOTE]

i have no idea where pigeon forge is lol. when would u want to head to branson?

 

[JoshT]

Doorgunner... I hear you and know what your are saying though that's not what I meant. Actually thinking about it, I'm not sure if I even know what I meant. I do expect everything you describe, that it is that it will be beyond my wildest dream.

RustedRanger you mentioned Daniel 9:26 which says after 62 sets of 7. In the both the NIV and King James versions of the bible I have before me it alludes to "sevens" being weeks. You on the other hand say it means sets of 7 years. This will be a period of either 62 weeks or 434 years, but that is after what? After 70 weeks or 490 years. When does this period start? I have not read all of the book of Daniel and do not have time to do so currently, but I see nothing in that that tells us anything about when the end of times will be. It seems to tell us how long it will take once it begins, but does not tell when it will begin. It also does not say that he will be killed, but cut off as in lost to the people.

Christ provided a list of events which would generally alert us when the time was near -- and, basically, those events seemed to have occurred. (1) "The leafing of the fig tree," Matthew 24:32-33, would have been the re-establishment of Israel in 1948. (2) "The abominable destructive thing on holy ground" would have been the installation of nuclear-tipped ballistic missiles by Israel in the 1980s. (3) "Woe" -- a threat, not words of pity -- "to pregnant women and nursing mothers in those days," Matthew 24:19, seems to single out the Pro-Choice Movement itself as an End Times sign. (4) "It will be like Sodom in those days," a reduction of Luke 17:28-30, seems to refer to the 2003 Supreme Court decision striking down laws against sodomy, and growth of homosexual marriage. Finally, (5) Paul's assurance at 2 Thessalonians 2:3 that "the apostasy" or "great falling away" must come first seems to refer to current collapse of church attendance.

I know of the list of events, but I don't see how we can begin to judge what could and could not qualify as those events. As had been said in this thread numerous times, people have "predicted" the end many times over the years, especially religious people, in particular the one who came up with this date. Don't you think that they had some justification for those events as well. I highly doubt that all of them are the same as those you mention, especially numbers 3 and 4.

1) Leafing of the fig tree? Dude it's not referring to Israel being re-established. It's an analogy. You watch for the leafing of the fig to know when summer arrives. Likewise watch for the events preceding the coming of the son of man, when they have happened you know the time is near.

2) A "nuclear-tipped ballistic missiles" is the sign of the beast? I kinda doubt that. What happened to the seven years of peace. To my knowledge, granted my memory of history is a little rough, that hasn't happened yet.

3) Where did you come up with woe being a threat? It could easily be descriptive of a condition. In fact it is usually used to describe someone suffering, or who will be suffering. The context in which it is used in these verses, Matthew 24:15-25, seems to suggest this. It seems to be speaking of fleeing, and and how bad it will be for women who are with small children or who are pregnant.

4) Luke 17:28-30 (King James Version):

28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

I can't see where a supreme court decision in 2003 had anything to do with this. Instead it seems to suggest that it will start out a day like any other.

5) I think this is the one you are probably closest to right on. But I also do not think this it has to do with "church attendance" so much as a loss of belief, or faith, in Christ. This can not be represented by Church Attendance. I would also like to ask where do these church attendance numbers come from? In the many years I attended the same church I never heard anyone calling roll from an attendance roster. Neither did any of the other churches I have visited. I can also say that that church steadily grew the entire time I attended and has continued to do so since I left. They went from having a single service with a sanctuary half full, to two services (and sometimes three) with it full, and last I heard are in need of a bigger sanctuary to fit everyone. Regardless of which it is referring to I think it probably has a lot further to go before it reaches the levels being talked about in that verse.

I'm not trying to attack you, but I can't stand people who take things lines like those out of context and try to twist them to their will. You can't read one verse, or part of one verse, without taking into account the verses and chapters before and after it. As Christians we get irritated by non-Christians who do that, we shouldn't be doing it ourselves, especially not to each other.

On that note since you referenced 2 Thessalonians 2:3, I would like to reference you to the verse just before it:

King James:
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.