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The south west is going dry


Don't worry guys when I become an Engineer I will solve this!
 
hmmmm...if engineering is anything like medicine or other research your efforts would have to be pro bono until you come up with something valid...and in the mean time you will spend more time designing things correcting mistakes made by others...

I always wanted to be a doctor...until I found out that most of them die prematurely from drug or alcohol addiction...I think they even have mortality rates figured out somewhere that tell you what you will most likely croak from if you spend your life in a career...

People who live the longest live in desert plains, eat mostly vegetables, and smoke dope or other available plants...something to strive for!
 
Just Leave the Great Lakes alone. The southwest is trying to make a pipeline from the lakes to there and then use up our water here in the midwest. Desalinization is the best bet you guys have as well as conservation. No pools and no green golf courses water to be used only for non decorative/recreational purposes only.
 
Mother Nature is already taking care of this...reduce the world population of humans to a sustainable level, simple as that...whoever's left gets to fight for the renewable water sources and the strongest prevails.
 
They could just stop filling their mansion swimming pools since they're right by the damn ocean. Which brings up another huge point, they're right by the ocean there's plenty of water, and there are systems out there to desalinate the water...The navy uses these systems all the time.
 
Just Leave the Great Lakes alone. The southwest is trying to make a pipeline from the lakes to there and then use up our water here in the midwest. Desalinization is the best bet you guys have as well as conservation. No pools and no green golf courses water to be used only for non decorative/recreational purposes only.

I grew up a 1/2 mile from Lake Erie. Spent most of my life living within a few miles of it. I never thought much about not having water. It's right there.

It would be crazy to live by a major body of water, but not have water to drink/use.
 
For the past couple of years I keep hearing that the southwest wants to build a pipeline to the great lakes and use our water here to fill their pools.:icon_confused:
 
I grew up a 1/2 mile from Lake Erie.

Where was that? You might have lived near or gone to school with my mom or one of her younger siblings.
 
I believe that some of it has to be because of the farming that is done. They say that CA. has some of the richest land in the US for growing. Plus the seasons are longer. The water level of the Great Lakes has been going down for some years now. I thought that desalinization plants didn't last that long. The saltwater is very corrosive.
 
I believe that some of it has to be because of the farming that is done. They say that CA. has some of the richest land in the US for growing. Plus the seasons are longer. The water level of the Great Lakes has been going down for some years now. I thought that desalinization plants didn't last that long. The saltwater is very corrosive.

Blaming the lack of rain on farming is a bit of a stretch...

Plopping big cities in a land that can't support them (hence why they dammed up the water to start with) is the problem.
 
Feeding a world population that won't regulate itself is the problem...more people suck more trees/resources from the earth...yadda, yadda, yadda...and we keep feeding them for the almighty buck...then we start running out of the resources that we need to sustain the system that feeds the world. See where this is going? Mother Nature hates parasites.
 
Feeding a world population that won't regulate itself is the problem...more people suck more trees/resources from the earth...yadda, yadda, yadda...and we keep feeding them for the almighty buck...then we start running out of the resources that we need to sustain the system that feeds the world. See where this is going? Mother Nature hates parasites.

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i dont agree to this, as education and women empowerment grows 1-2 kids becomes the rule. the turn around on that is scary in a 40 year cycle. go from "potentially too many" to unsustainable. white people will be endangered species at most present rates.

i have seen estimates of sustainable world population from 500 million to 60 billion over the years. nobody knows.


the great lakes are way down compared to the 60's...i worked in port sanilac all last fall up to mid jan...i was shocked at some of the levels recorded on the wall over 60 years where i fished from....

the ogallala is the big issue.


fuk california....the ogallala means more to me then anything in cali....cali is easily solved with technology in the sense of cost ratio and what we actually have to do it with now.

at the end of the day, there is a hard cycle noted from tree rings mentioned earlier that is truly indicitive that we are screwed. this would happen according to that data....whether we humans are present on this rock or not.

look at the societies of the original natives, some even thought to be the ones that bred our current corn lineage that instantly disappeared due to water and potential forest mismanagement issues(thought to be self inflicted from overpopulation in a desert:D)and its easy to imagine there will be flight on the level of the dust bowl at the minimum... if the cost effectiive solutions are here, it fill be one issue...but the political failings of our society in current up against this real natural event and crumbling infrastructure bid a gloomy future for us americans.

potentially horrific future...and i dont mean 10 years from now either.
 
Planet has 4 times the people than it can support, there are only two things that are infinite, space and human stupidity, and people think that oil is so lmportant, that they pump water into the ground to help bring it up, the same with fracting, let me know how the oil tastes
 
the ogallala is the big issue.


fuk california....the ogallala means more to me then anything in cali....cali is easily solved with technology in the sense of cost ratio and what we actually have to do it with now.

I went out to Wyoming 2 years ago for vacation in early August, it was a dry year then too. I remember one of the Platte rivers was bone dry, not a drop of water in it... and they were still running the center pivots watering the dead corn right beside it. It was dead dead, 5' tall and the ears were half size in both dia and length... get out the chopper and make silage because it won't pay to combine it dead. And they were still dumping water on it.

On my little patch, we couldn't get it planted until early June last year because it wouldn't quit raining, it got maybe two or three ok rains after that at just about perfect timings and it was green until the frost killed it this fall. Still made over 100 bushel/acre and the corn only saw about 3" of rain all summer... that is what you get when you are not trying to farm sand. The depth control was terrible, it was so muddy the planter wouldn't close (and the packer wheels were picking up mud pulling the row units out of the ground), I had to disc it to cover it... so my root base was crap to boot too. Horrid year, everybody was holding their breath...

IMO there is a lot of land that just shouldn't be farmed, the Ethonal boom isn't helping it any either. The price of corn being cut in half last summer should take some of the wind out of its sails.
 
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