Raptor or Ranger

[DavidNJ]

You can get 14" on a titan with coilovers and UCAs? I know the UCA is needed at droop, especially with 2.5" shocks. However, I didn't think you could get that much bump travel.

Dixon Bros. says 14" on the 4wd Silverado with long arms, Camburg says 10" on the Titan with the UCA.

Which parts where you using?

 

[Toms01PSD]

The Raptor has an open front diff, auto locking or permanently engaged hubs, a limited slip rear. The Ranger could air locks or e-locks (with a steering wheel mounted control). The hubs would be manual.

Where are you getting all this false information dude? Limited slip rear?
The Ford website says it has an Electronic Locking Differential. http://www.fordvehicles.com/f150raptor/

If you're going to bash the truck, atleast make yourself credible and do some research.

 

[DavidNJ]

You are correct...electronic locking rear diff, and open front. And it has stability control and 35x12.5/17 tires.

The question is it a good enough factory performance boost to qualify a legit off road truck, or is the gap of things to modify too great.

On the Z06, which is probably the closest equivalent, GM came moderately close. Other than safety equipment, which is arguably also a Raptor issue if you do what is pictured in the Ford online videos, Z06 owners change the seats, tires, sometimes the wheels, and modify the brakes. Different pads, a typical track day change, but also the rotors (an insanely heavy lump of iron, with the weight in the hub not the rotor, and with the vanes point the wrong way on one side). Overall, not that much.

Not sure what a Raptor owner will change. Maybe the question is what is limiting front travel to 11 inches and how much of that is bump travel. There are many people with deep pockets who will by a Raptor, so it is pretty certain the mods for more travel will come quickly.

 

[Chance]

You're getting way too hung up over the factory pre-runner thing.

It's a package just like the fx4, it's designed to do a lil better that the rest of the trucks that roll out the factory. It's not a pre-runner.

 

[Toms01PSD]

You're treating the Raptor as if it was a Ford Fiesta and the Ranger as if it were a Ferrari Enzo. For every part you describe for the Raptor you multiply it's awesomeness for the Ranger. It's like building a 4 cylinder against a V8. You can't spend the same amount of money and get the same or better results. By the way, the Titan and Silverado are already running around on the streets, so they are going to have aftermarket parts already. So how can you bash the Raptor already?

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

It is a improved factory truck, not a full on desert racing truck. For a factory truck it is supposed to be pretty good, and really doesn't cost much over a regular F-150.

How well a desert racing truck performs isn't very relavant in most parts of the country. My local dealership has one on order, no desert anywhere around here. With gravel roads almost every mile on the mile, how well it can transverse rough terrein for long periods of time around here isn't that big of a deal for anyone that buys it, you can only go so far before you hit a fence, road or a ditch... which will ruin anyones day.

 

[DavidNJ]

Ford's advertising is definitely billing it as a pre-runner. And it appears to be a nice truck, with among the most sophisticated shocks in a OEM truck.

However, is that enough? After originally being nearly a draw, the Raptor is gain a slight edge in the pole: 7-4-5. The 6.2L may make the difference, however it will probably find its way into all F150s and Expeditions. Its size and power level is were the competition is these days.

I wasn't knocking the Raptor, however the Ranger is a very popular pre-runner platform with lots aftermarket parts. And this is a Ranger forum...

 

[Toms01PSD]

This is true. I love my Ranger. However, i'm not a Ranger "fanboy". There are plenty far superior vehicles out there than my truck.

 

[li7in6]

To get around 14" of travel on the nissans you have to clearance the coil bucket and spindles as even with aftermarket UCA's the buckets still limit your droop. If you're going for more up travel it involves cutting the buckets and mounting hoops. The simple bolt ons will only give you 9-10" of travel becasue even with UCA's you're still running into the coil bucket. For up travel afaik the only thing limiting it is the amount of fender clearance you have and how much shock/coil you can stuff in. PRG can set up a kit for 16-17" of 2wd travel and 14-15" of 4wd on titans/frontiers but obviously you're looking at something more involved than a bolt up, and at least a front diff swap on the frontier.

There are Silverado kits that will give you 16-19" of front end travel. But if we're talking 4wd it'll be less. JD Fab offers a 4wd kit that gives you 15" of travel on a chevy full size.

 

[Frank The Tank]

If i had that much money......... honestly I don't think I'd buy a raptor or modify a ranger.

Frank

 

[ranger_mclaren]

I was just arguing the other view...a little like comparing a 1000hp Supra to a new Z06 Corvette.

Supra, hands down even stock I'D NEVER OWN A VETTE.

If i had the money to blow i'd buy a raptor for a DD and weekend toy. I would build a truggie out of the ranger stickly buisness built.