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Our government has corrupted this nation so bad


....we have more freedoms in this country than all other countries combined.

This sir is 100% false..... and is the mentallity of 99% of Americans.

This is around the same basic concept argument I get into with people about healthcare. Most Americans believe we have the "Best!" healthcare there is in the world.

Yet we are ranked 37? I believe it was out of the 200 or so nations as we are surpased by countries many would deem 3rd world being ignorant.

The FDA is the main reason for the low ranking because of the allowing of high risk drugs, vs. drugs that could help cure disease or put it at limbo for a long time (all because of the mighty dollar!)

My dad who suffered from cancer who was given 2 years to live started taking supplements, illegal in the US, but obtainable in other countries. These gave him energy among other things that helped him. He lived an extra 5 years over the given 2 and I do believe these drugs that the FDA considers not adequate made a huge impact.
 
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I am confused here....Georg W. Bush was in office when 911 happened. Not Clinton. Dd you get something backwards?

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He was referring to the first attack on the Trade Center.Which I believe was a van that was blown up in the parking structure.Clinton was prez at the time.
 
Freedom, Liberty, Privacy, Rights. The government has slowly been taking those American values away thru laws, administrations, and restrictions. Freedom does NOT have limits. The FDA, DEA, IRS, DHS, EPA, ATF, PATRIOT Act, PPAC Act, standing Armies and hundreds of other agencies, bureaus, departments, acts, and laws all bent on restricting your Freedom, Liberty, Privacy, and Rights. They say it's "for the greater good" or "for your protection" or my favorite "if you don't do anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about". Well you know what? that's a load of BS and is unconstitutional. You can't force me to help "the greater good" and I can protect my self. You have no right to tell me what I can or cant do with my money, property and person.
"I would rather be exposed to the inconvenience of attending too much Liberty than not enough" Thomas Jefferson
ok, im done with my rant..... for now
 
I'm sure some of you have seen this but I just got an e-mail and thought I'd share how awesome this email is.

To All My Valued Employees,

There have been some rumblings around the office about the future of this company, and more specifically, your job. As you know, the economy has changed for the worse and presents many challenges. However, the good news is this: The economy doesn't pose a threat to your job.

What does threaten your job however, is the changing political landscape in this country. Of course, as your employer, I am forbidden to tell you whom to vote for -- it is against the law to discriminate based on political affiliation, Race, creed, religion, etc.

Please vote who you think will serve your Interests the best. However, let me tell you some little tidbits of fact which might help you decide what is in your best interest. First, while it is easy to spew rhetoric that casts employers against employees, you have to understand that for every business owner there is a back story.

This back story is often neglected and overshadowed by what you see and hear. Sure, you see me park my Mercedes outside. You've seen my big home at last years Christmas party. I'm sure all these flashy icons of luxury conjure up some idealized thoughts about my life. However, what you don't see is the back story.

I started this company 12 years ago. At that time, I lived in a 300 square foot studio apartment for 3 years. My entire living space was converted into an office so I could put forth 100% effort into building a company, which by the way, would eventually employ you.

My diet consisted of Ramen Pride noodles because every dollar I spent went back into this company. I drove a rusty Toyota Corolla with a defective transmission. I didn't have time to date. Often times, I stayed home on weekends, while my friends went out drinking and partying. In fact, I was married to my business -- hard work, discipline, and sacrifice.

Meanwhile, my friends got jobs. They worked 40 hours a week and made a modest $50K a year and spent every dime they earned. They drove flashy cars and lived in expensive homes and wore fancy designer clothes. Instead of hitting the Nordstrom's for the latest hot fashion item, I was trolling through the Goodwill store extracting any clothing item that didn't look like it was birthed in the 70's.

My friends refinanced their mortgages and lived a life of luxury. I, however, did not. I put my time, my money, and my life into a business with a vision that eventually, some day, I too, will be able to afford these luxuries my friends supposedly had.

So, while you physically arrive at the office at 9am, mentally check in at about noon, and then leave at 5pm, I don't. There is no "off" button For me. When you leave the office, you are done and you have a weekend all to yourself. I unfortunately do not have the freedom. I eat, ****, and breathe this company every minute of the day. There is no rest. There is no weekend. There is no happy hour. Every day this business is attached to me like a 1 day old baby.

You, of course, only see the fruits of that garden -- the nice house, the Mercedes, the vacations... You never realize the back story and the sacrifices I've made. Now, the economy is falling apart and I, the guy that made all the right decisions and saved his money, have to bail-out all the people who didn't.

The people that overspent their paychecks suddenly feel entitled to the same luxuries that I earned and sacrificed a decade of my life for. Yes, business ownership has is benefits but the price I've paid is steep and not without wounds. Unfortunately, the cost of running this business, and employing you, is starting to eclipse the threshold of marginal benefit and let me tell you why:

I am being taxed to death and the government thinks I don't pay enough. I have state taxes. Federal taxes. Property taxes. Sales and use taxes. Payroll taxes. Workers compensation taxes. Unemployment taxes. Taxes on taxes. I have to hire a tax man to manage all these taxes and then guess what? I have to pay taxes for employing him. Government mandates and regulations and all the accounting that goes with it, now occupy most of my time. On Oct 15th, I wrote a check to the US Treasury for $288,000 for quarterly taxes. You know what my "stimulus" check was? Zero. Nada. Zilch.

The question I have is this: Who is stimulating the economy? Me, the guy who has provided 14 people good paying jobs and serves over 2,200,000 people per year with a flourishing business? Or, the single mother sitting at home pregnant with her fourth child waiting for her next welfare check?

Obviously, government feels the latter is the economic stimulus of this country. The fact is, if I deducted (Read: Stole) 50% of your paycheck you'd quit and you wouldn't work here. I mean, why should you? That's nuts. Who wants to get rewarded only 50% of their hard work? Well, I agree which is why your job is in jeopardy. Here is what many of you don't understand; to stimulate the economy you need to stimulate what runs the economy. Had suddenly government mandated to me that I didn't need to pay taxes, guess what? Instead of depositing that $288,000 into the Washington black-hole, I would have spent it, hired more employees, and generated substantial economic growth. My employees would have enjoyed the wealth of that tax cut in the form of promotions and better salaries. But you can forget it now.

When you have a comatose man on the verge of death, you don't defibrillate and shock his thumb thinking that will bring him back to life, do you? Or, do you defibrillate his heart? Business is at the heart of America and always has been. To restart it, you must stimulate it, not kill it. Suddenly, the power brokers in Washington believe the mud of America are the essential drivers of the American economic engine.

Nothing could be further from the truth and this is the type of change you can keep. So where am I going with all this? It's quite simple. If any new taxes are levied on me, or my company, my reaction will be swift and simple. I fire you. I fire your co-workers. You can then plead with the government to pay for your mortgage, your SUV, and your child's future. Frankly, it isn't my problem any more. Then, I will close this company down, move to another country, and retire.

You see, I'm done. I'm done with a country that penalizes the productive and gives to the unproductive. My motivation to work and to provide jobs will be destroyed, and with it, will be my citizenship.

While tax cuts to 95% of America sounds great on paper, don't forget the backstory: If there is no job, there is no income to tax. A tax cut on zero dollars is zero. So, when you make decision to vote, ask yourself, who understands the economics of business ownership and who doesn't? Whose policies will endanger your job? Answer those questions and you should know who might be the one capable of saving your job. While the media wants to tell you "It's the economy Stupid" I'm telling you it isn't.

If you lose your job, it won't be at the hands of the economy; it will be at the hands of a political hurricane that swept through this country, steamrolled the Constitution, and will have changed its landscape forever. If that happens, you can find me in South Caribbean sitting on a beach, retired, and with no employees to worry about.

Signed, Your boss,

Michael A. Crowley,
PE Crowley, Crisp & Associates, Inc.
Professional Engineers 1
906 South Main Street, Suite 122
Wake Forest, NC 27587

919.562.8860 x22
919.562.8872 Fax

Well So far the tax breaks to the top 1% haven't created any jobs that I'm aware of!!
So with that being said, Go ahead and give up your citizenship and join your money in the Caymans or where ever you have it!!! Just don't let the door hit ya in the A$$ on your way out!!!
 
Well So far the tax breaks to the top 1% haven't created any jobs that I'm aware of!!
So with that being said, Go ahead and give up your citizenship and join your money in the Caymans or where ever you have it!!! Just don't let the door hit ya in the A$$ on your way out!!!

Go look up Ronald Regan and income tax cuts....then you can retract your statement with your hat in your hand.:icon_hornsup:

Yet we are ranked 37? I believe it was out of the 200 or so nations as we are surpased by countries many would deem 3rd world being ignorant.

Methodology is EVERYTHING. The so-called study is flawed that is widely circulated is a joke. Cuba rates near the top....do I need to say more?

You are correct that the FDA is a major concern.....like the EPA they needed completely disbanded and similar programs started from scratch.
 
Paradoxical Quote of The Day From Ben Stein

"Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen."

Now add this, "Many of those who refuse, or are unable, to prove they are citizens will receive free insurance paid for by those who are forced to buy insurance because they are citizens."
 
It all comes down to what's more important to you, freedom and liberty or security and insurance. But... is life so dear and peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? God forsake it not! I know not the corse that others may take, but as for me GIVE ME LIBERTY! OR GIVE ME DEATH!
 
You are correct that the FDA is a major concern.....like the EPA they needed completely disbanded and similar programs started from scratch.

I work in the environmental dept. of a coal burning power plant... dont get me started... I love dropping off paper work to the NJDEP and EPA buildings around here in my lifted ranger covered in mud. I get such weird looks :D:yahoo:
 
I work in the environmental dept. of a coal burning power plant... dont get me started... I love dropping off paper work to the NJDEP and EPA buildings around here in my lifted ranger covered in mud. I get such weird looks :D:yahoo:

Hauled hazardous waste for a while. Dealing with the EPA and other state agency's will make you a Republican faster than any other method known to man! :icon_rofl:

One of the things these government cannot stand is people actually having fun...in your case muddy lifted Ranger actually being used to accomplish something....:shok:
 

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