my steering set-up

[04 EDGE]

are the threaded tie rod ends welded to the tubes?

not flaming maurice. just looking at the safety side of things.

 

[4x4junkie]

Superlift's tierods are not welded.

 

[Loanranger]

Stock Suzuki Samurai's tierods are welded from the factory.

 

[mjonesjr]

are the threaded tie rod ends welded to the tubes?

not flaming maurice. just looking at the safety side of things.

I read it differently. The Superlift's are not welded.

 

[sasdranger]

thats a pretty tricky setup!

what some of you TTB guys do to get the steering linkage all working properly amazes me!

 

[bobbywalter]

good thing you don't live in michigan

MICHIGAN VEHICLE CODE (EXCERPT)
Act 300 of 1949

257.710c Bumpers; height limitations; lift blocks; prohibited modifications; construction of section; applicability; definitions.
Sec. 710c.
Para(4) All steering components shall be geometrically arranged to function as original equipment manufacture. Welded pitman arms, drag links, and tie rods are prohibited.


of course this is for on road vehicles.

while this is true and a driving factor behind my use of oem pieces in earlier designs...its only true for oem sold for profit vehicles. if you custom title your rig and get thru the form 54 hoops your fine as long as you have sound product. full hydro assembled with iso spec parts wont bat an eye from my former inspector, whom also raced in the desert in his youth.


the superrunner steering works similar enough to oem and is ok as well.

just like having a v8 ranger. thats federally illegal too. but its also home built and easy to title. and yes insurance cost more too.


remember...its still america, theres reasons for lawyers that come after you and lawyers that protect you. do your shit right and paper it accordingly and issues will be nill.

 

[dusto2]

looking good you will have to let me know how it holds up i want to make one myself

 

[4x4junkie]

Lol. I just don't get why is this is so hard for some to figure out.

Each red line on that diagram is the true pivoting axis for for each side of the suspension (and note that they are still symmetrical in spite of one beam being shorter).
Why anyone would think having the tierod pivot anywhere else but directly from that red line for minimum bumpsteer is beyond me

 

[rickcdewitt]

if you think about it mutant's tie rods would be just to either side of the red line if they were the length of the beam since the tie rod stops short of going out to the center of the balljoint.stil light years better than the inverted Y

 

[4x4junkie]

If the tierods are only matched to the beam lengths, one side (passenger) would be further away from the red axis line than the other. Not only would there be some bumpsteer, it would behave asymmetrically too.

I do agree that it's still much better than the Y-setup (virtually anything is).

 

[bobbywalter]

this is great.



what is bump steer?


if its imperceptable to the driver on landing at 70 mph after a 60 foot blast and has no effect on handling taking corners at a tt event then it is zero bump steer.

if you can leave on the trans brake in 4x4 and run a low 13 sec 1/4 without the truck wanting to rollover thats 0 bump steer....


if the truck stays in its lane driving with one finger through the hiways and biways of detroit in the springtime pothole season and graveltrain rutted secondary roads.....your fawkin winning the ttb fight dude.


as to cad....its awesome and gets shit done...in the same beath **** cad. cad gets you close...then you build it and figure out what you input wrong and then make it right anyway.


perfect on paper and what works great and percepatbly perfect are two entirely seperate things in alot of cases.

 

[bobbywalter]

i agree there s measurable what is known as bump steer, but turning a corner with full suspension cycle in 4x4... tires spinning hard.. with full control is no bump steer conditions for me...this as compared to stock-vs-superrunner-vs-what mutant is running...verse various abortions i have tried.


compared and tested.

i never had it all doing it with oem type parts, but i can get it pretty good.

 

[CopyKat]

A little tip to ya to get 0 bumpsteer through full cycle of the suspension you need to have the tierods on the blue line.

Seat of the pants and what is precieved as 0 bump steer is not "ZERO BUMPSTEER".

My truck is managable with the steering setup I have. I don't go around saying it has zero bumpsteer. I know it has some seen here.

So at full bump and full rebound if your tires are still pointing straight ahead then hey I read you wrong. But I can bet your not. And by the looks of your picture 7" of full travel will make bumpsteer feel alot less.

 

[Evan]

I love how some people think bumpsteer ONLY happens on a TTB.

 

[bobbywalter]

this was normal...and shitty, but i had enough power tothrow it around and compensate.

this setup keeps the tires flat with the terrain and toe change minimal...cornering with throttle was so much fun on of ramps..

problem was left quirks and with the big tires i was always tearing links in half.. but the tire stayed sweet...