Grrrrr

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Nevermind, I do have power at the computer. The meter wasn't making good contact.

 

[BRUTUS_T_HOG]

thats weird. are you losing spark or fuel or both?

the fact that it will die with the clutch pedal out is really strange. i read a TSB about when you start the engine without the starter it will prevent the TFI module from advancing timing properly or something.

that red/lt blue wire is the only thing that connects the clutch switch to the TFI. somehow it must be related

 

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thats weird. are you losing spark or fuel or both?

the fact that it will die with the clutch pedal out is really strange. i read a TSB about when you start the engine without the starter it will prevent the TFI module from advancing timing properly or something.

that red/lt blue wire is the only thing that connects the clutch switch to the TFI. somehow it must be related

I know I'm losing fuel because the pumps don't engage. I would assume I am also losing spark, but don't have the tools/assistance here right now to effectively test that.

I just tried to hotwire it by jumpering the switch connector to the run position and hitting the starter trigger to the battery. It cranks but doesn't even try to catch.



It's the screwiest thing, because everything else seems to be working individually, but as a whole the system doesn't work right.

 

[BRUTUS_T_HOG]

try to jumper the fuel pump then. we'll assume your fuel pump is losing power in the run position.

im trying to combine 3 diagrams together so i can actually see whats going on in the circuit.. im on a 10" netbook lol

 

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try to jumper the fuel pump then. we'll assume your fuel pump is losing power in the run position.

im trying to combine 3 diagrams together so i can actually see whats going on in the circuit.. im on a 10" netbook lol

Oh that has to be fun.


I'll try it tomorrow after the family leaves. It's too dark to do anything more with it tonight.


It almost has to be something retardedly simple too. With everything else working correctly it has to be a single connector left undone, or a wire that I crossed somewhere along the line. I need an NGS.

 

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Ok, so I went down to the shop this morning and took a peek under the hood of my buddy's blown up 88 B2. I had the wiring hooked up a bit backwards at the starter relay. Changed my stuff to match his and now the key seems to be turning everything on like it should.

Now the starter doesn't work. I jumped it right to the battery to test it, and I'm pretty sure I burned up the motor. That should at least be easy to fix.

 

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Ok, I'm lost. Had it running, but the starter stayed on. I re-arranged it a bit, now everything works......



except the starter.

 

[BRUTUS_T_HOG]

you sure you have your starter solenoid wired up right? red/lt blue wire should goto the S terminal unless that wire isn't getting power in the start position

 

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you sure you have your starter solenoid wired up right? red/lt blue wire should goto the S terminal unless that wire isn't getting power in the start position

That is one of the few wires that was never touched. Its the boys on the big terminals that I can't get straightened out.

 

[Earl43P]

Here's what you need.

B+ straight to the starter. You can route that from the fender solenoid post so that the starter has B+ at all times, or you can run it straight from the battery terminal (not recommended because you'll still need a B+ at the solenoid, why run two?).

Another wire runs from the solenoid to the starter. That wire should be hot only in the crank position. It will be all alone on the "switched" post of the solenoid. It will actuate the solenoid in the starter that engages the drive gear, closing internal contacts allowing the starter motor to run once the gear engages the teeth of the flywheel.




If your starter has only one big wire connection (I doubt this is your case), it needs to be "B+ switched" from the fender solenoid with the key in Crank position.

 

[snake]

Bad-ass thread. Advanced troubleshooting without the attitude of previous brainiac members whose initials started with MA and ended with KG. Scratch that last part from the record heeheehee.

 

[BRUTUS_T_HOG]

That is one of the few wires that was never touched. Its the boys on the big terminals that I can't get straightened out.

1 post should have the battery positive cable and any other pigtails attached.

the other post should have the cable to the starter on it. its switched power for starting only.

and the red/lt blue wire goes to the S terminal.

if you jump battery power to the S terminal does the starter crank? don't forget transmission in neutral for that.

if the solenoid clicks but no power goes to the starter cable you might have a bad solenoid. if the solenoid doesn't even click you might have a bad ground where it mounts to the fender or the solenoid is just bad

 

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Got it. I had it wired up correctly on the last attempt but the new starter fried itself on the first go.

Put the old one back on and it works. Took it for a drive, and everything is ok except that I don't like the clutch. It goes into gear ok, and I'm not loosing fluid out of the reservoir, but the pedal is still squishy. The engine is beast though. I rolled her up from 25 to 45 in 4th gear and it didn't even ping once.

Sucks because I actually didn't cut corners and did put a new slave in it this time. I think I sucked air into the master during one of the bleeding cycles. Guess I'll have to go at it again. And again.

 

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Also picked up a straight front bumper (mine is bent from a run-in with a Sunfire a few years ago) with a brush guard for $30 today.

Guess I need to look at the silver lining.

 

[BRUTUS_T_HOG]

Got it. I had it wired up correctly on the last attempt but the new starter fried itself on the first go.

Put the old one back on and it works. Took it for a drive, and everything is ok except that I don't like the clutch. It goes into gear ok, and I'm not loosing fluid out of the reservoir, but the pedal is still squishy. The engine is beast though. I rolled her up from 25 to 45 in 4th gear and it didn't even ping once.

Sucks because I actually didn't cut corners and did put a new slave in it this time. I think I sucked air into the master during one of the bleeding cycles. Guess I'll have to go at it again. And again.

i just love bleeding these clutches. F that lol.

so you had the solenoid wires mixed up in the first place? at least it was a simple fix