Good source for new or rebuilt carbs?

[85_Ranger4x4]

Edelbrocks run OK, as long as you don't mind having less power than a Holley combined with soggy throttle response. If you didn't want more power why'd you put a 4 barrel on it? The Holley on my Mustang came from Summit in 1993, I've tweaked it as I've modified the engine, the only "failure" was a plugged air bleed once that I fixed with a squirt of carb clean.

Throttle response seems fine as does power. Runs good on rough trails, off camber and gets pretty respectable mpg on the highway.

I got the Edelbrock in 2011 because it was like $200 cheaper than a truck avenger when I did the V8 swap and it hasn't given me a reason to shop for anything else since. I am not opposed to going EFI at some point but that is EFI vs carb reasons not Carb A vs Carb B reasons.

 

[rusty ol ranger]

Probably half that and my friend at Napa gives me good prices on parts. The 350 cfm Holley might have better throttle response, I've seen 500 Holleys on 351's and 400's that ran strong but would suck the needle off the gas gauge.

The 1.21 venturi sized 2150 is 351CFM. So the 350cfm 2 bbl holley is probably about as close to stock as its gonna get.

Plus 249 bucks for an electric choked holley remanned is a good price. A 1.21 venturi chinese rebuilt 2150 is bringing that.

I did bid 40 bucks on a good rebuildable 2150 core on ebay last night. It said its functioning as is so i might even just toss it on and try it for shits if i get it.

 

[19Walt93]

Throttle response seems fine as does power. Runs good on rough trails, off camber and gets pretty respectable mpg on the highway.

I got the Edelbrock in 2011 because it was like $200 cheaper than a truck avenger when I did the V8 swap and it hasn't given me a reason to shop for anything else since. I am not opposed to going EFI at some point but that is EFI vs carb reasons not Carb A vs Carb B reasons.

The Avenger series cost more than a plain old 4160 because it comes with springs and some other stuff that I already have. The 80457 electric choke, vacuum secondary carb is my usual choice, the shiny one on the Ranger cost $341, the one on my Mustang cost $175 in 1993 and isn't shiny. I'll bet the Edelbrock wasn't $200 less than $341. If you didn't want more power why'd you swap in the V8?

 

[rusty ol ranger]

The Avenger series cost more than a plain old 4160 because it comes with springs and some other stuff that I already have. The 80457 electric choke, vacuum secondary carb is my usual choice, the shiny one on the Ranger cost $341, the one on my Mustang cost $175 in 1993 and isn't shiny. I'll bet the Edelbrock wasn't $200 less than $341. If you didn't want more power why'd you swap in the V8?

Its been my experance on a stock/mild street engine the edelbrock is better for DD duty.

Guessing thsts why he went with it.

The only reason im considering a holley is cause OEM 2150s are getting old and pry been thru tbe rebuild circuit 10 times, and im not buying a repop.

Id much prefer an edelbrock but im not going to change manifolds for whats essintially gonna be a strict work truck.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

The Avenger series cost more than a plain old 4160 because it comes with springs and some other stuff that I already have. The 80457 electric choke, vacuum secondary carb is my usual choice, the shiny one on the Ranger cost $341, the one on my Mustang cost $175 in 1993 and isn't shiny. I'll bet the Edelbrock wasn't $200 less than $341. If you didn't want more power why'd you swap in the V8?

When I am already more than doubling the hp what is another 5hp? My research at the time turned up that the Edelbrock was better offroad and at holding a tune than a standard Holley, and basically has a tub to hold the fuel with no gaskets to leak fuel. Rusty nailed it, I wanted a daily driver type setup with good torque as I will never race it. Since then I have done way more with the truck than I ever thought I would and it just takes it in stride.

IIRC the stock 4bbl for a 5.0HO is around 480cfm (starting out mine was a "standard" roller engine" I don't think Holley makes a 4bbl close to that aside from the 470cfm truck avenger. Most are around 600 which IMO is huge for a stockish engine especially the 150hp weezer I started out with. With the 500cfm Edelbrock that I have it is set down a little, even now with an HO cam and E7 heads it has plenty of capacity to throw more fuel if needed.

Everything I do with the truck, it toys with it. Shuttle wagons around, hauling around my slide in camper, drive heavily loaded across four states... the old half wore out 302 doesn't care.

If I wanted peak power... I wouldn't be dinking with a carb period. I am not opposed to a Holley... but if I get one it will be a Sniper.

 

[rusty ol ranger]

When I am already more than doubling the hp what is another 5hp? My research at the time turned up that the Edelbrock was better offroad and at holding a tune than a standard Holley, and basically has a tub to hold the fuel with no gaskets to leak fuel. Rusty nailed it, I wanted a daily driver type setup with good torque as I will never race it. Since then I have done way more with the truck than I ever thought I would and it just takes it in stride.

IIRC the stock 4bbl for a 5.0HO is around 480cfm (starting out mine was a "standard" roller engine" I don't think Holley makes a 4bbl close to that aside from the 470cfm truck avenger. Most are around 600 which IMO is huge for a stockish engine especially the 150hp weezer I started out with. With the 500cfm Edelbrock that I have it is set down a little, even now with an HO cam and E7 heads it has plenty of capacity to throw more fuel if needed.

Everything I do with the truck, it toys with it. Shuttle wagons around, hauling around my slide in camper, drive heavily loaded across four states... the old half wore out 302 doesn't care.

If I wanted peak power... I wouldn't be dinking with a carb period. I am not opposed to a Holley... but if I get one it will be a Sniper.

Youre making me want to put an edelbrock on it lol.

Also...not to begin a war...but hotrod or one of the mags did a test 5 years ago or so that proved carbs were capable of more all out peak power then EFI.

 

[Roert42]

https://www.hotrod.com/articles/carburetor-vs-fuel-injection-we-put-both-to-the-test-on-ls-engine/

This might be what Rusty is referring to. the article says carbs vs efi with the same intake yielded the same results. Peak hp was 11 more with the efi, but peak torque was 9 more with the carb.

It also explains why this is the case.

 

[rusty ol ranger]

https://www.hotrod.com/articles/carburetor-vs-fuel-injection-we-put-both-to-the-test-on-ls-engine/

This might be what Rusty is referring to. the article says carbs vs efi with the same intake yielded the same results. Peak hp was 11 more with the efi, but peak torque was 9 more with the carb.

It also explains why this is the case.

Itd been a while since i had read it so i didnt remember the exact numbers but it does prove that for power both are basically even.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

Also...not to begin a war...but hotrod or one of the mags did a test 5 years ago or so that proved carbs were capable of more all out peak power then EFI.

EFI will set it self to run as well as it can in the winter as it will in the summer. Or here at 1200' or in Colorado at 10,000'. Or rightside up or on its side.

I don't want a war either and it makes sense that you could dial in a carb to be perfect for a certain set of conditions. EFI will average out better unless you keep running around your carb with a screwstick keeping it nailed just right because it won't stay there on its own as conditions change.

https://www.hotrod.com/articles/carburetor-vs-fuel-injection-we-put-both-to-the-test-on-ls-engine/

This might be what Rusty is referring to. the article says carbs vs efi with the same intake yielded the same results. Peak hp was 11 more with the efi, but peak torque was 9 more with the carb.

It also explains why this is the case.

Hobbling EFI with a carb intake isn't the setup for peak power either... but because I have a borderline unhealthy relationship with my air filter housing that is the route I would go.

 

[Roert42]

Hobbling EFI with a carb intake isn't the setup for peak power either... but because I have a borderline unhealthy relationship with my air filter housing that is the route I would go.

The intake was equipped for port fuel injection, obviously not optimized for it though.

 

[rusty ol ranger]

EFI will set it self to run as well as it can in the winter as it will in the summer. Or here at 1200' or in Colorado at 10,000'. Or rightside up or on its side.

I don't want a war either and it makes sense that you could dial in a carb to be perfect for a certain set of conditions. EFI will average out better unless you keep running around your carb with a screwstick keeping it nailed just right because it won't stay there on its own as conditions change.



Hobbling EFI with a carb intake isn't the setup for peak power either... but because I have a borderline unhealthy relationship with my air filter housing that is the route I would go.

I wont lie. I did seriously consider EFI on it just "for fun" persay. Till i seen the prices. Athough i did find a complete, used, holley 2bbl tbi "projection" set on ebay for 200 bucks. But ive never had issues with running a carb and this truck is just going to be a sometimes driver/work truck and the expense of EFI isnt worth it....espicially with as well as a good 2150 will work in the cold.

However when i get my LTD back out and start working on it i think i might seriously consider jumping ship....just for shits and giggles.

 

[Roert42]

I wont lie. I did seriously consider EFI on it just "for fun" persay. Till i seen the prices. Athough i did find a complete, used, holley 2bbl tbi "projection" set on ebay for 200 bucks. But ive never had issues with running a carb and this truck is just going to be a sometimes driver/work truck and the expense of EFI isnt worth it....espicially with as well as a good 2150 will work in the cold.

However when i get my LTD back out and start working on it i think i might seriously consider jumping ship....just for shits and giggles.

EFI conversions are a gateway drug. Next thing you know you will be installing disk breaks and IRS.

 

[fastpakr]

Before you know it, he'll be bragging about a Ridgeline.

 

[Snoranger]

EFI conversions are a gateway drug. Next thing you know you will be installing disk breaks and IRS.

Before you know it, he'll be bragging about a Ridgeline.

 

[Roert42]

Before you know it, he'll be bragging about a Ridgeline.

Or a mustang Mach E