Electronic blower. Crazy Idea?

[847alexc]

Well, it looks like I'm not the first person to have this idea. Though I must say there has been some constructive feed back. I wonder what kind of boost pressure the e-bay unit puts out and how much electrical draw it takes.

For better of worse we ranger fans have the ingenuity to make most anything move faster, stronger, steeper, or further.

Thanks guys!

 

[turbo cat]

electric turbos are junk get the real thing and no you dont have to lower comp to run a turbo ive ran 15psi on my stock 4.0 and 5 psi on my 9.7:1 comp 4.6L

 

[Ranger#1]

it is possable f u guys jest get a 12v fan thar puts out enough cfm to give you 8 pounds o boost and a varable volt swich and mount it to your tb and make sure you got sufficant gadge wire to run the fan

 

[UrbanRedneckKid]

For better of worse we ranger fans have the ingenuity to make most anything move faster, stronger, steeper, or further.

LOL, check out my e-charger build on post #9
http://www.therangerstation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25773

Oh, and good luck trying to use an e-charger to push enough CFM to overcome the -CFM/ vacuum of the engine, to actually create boost.

The only way I could see it working would be to put one hell of a nasty brushless electric motor behind the compressor housing of a turbo...

 

[turbo cat]

it is possable f u guys jest get a 12v fan thar puts out enough cfm to give you 8 pounds o boost and a varable volt swich and mount it to your tb and make sure you got sufficant gadge wire to run the fan

do you have any clue on how fast a turbo spins or how it works at all? A turbo is not just a fan. As the turbo spins faster it sucks air molecules in and the centrifugal force throws the molecules outward which compresses the molecules against the housing to pressurize the air. It dosent blow air like a fan.

second of all a turbos see thousands of rpms the average turbo under boost i belvie sees from 10,000+ so if you could get a fan to turn 10,000 rpms you still down have the scroll to compress the molecules against and how are you going to lubercate a plastic fan spining 10,000 rpms? Also the power neede to spin a fan at 10,00 rpms would be more than a automotive elcetrical system could provide

 

[Davis]

close. it's 100,000 to 150,000 rpm.

 

[turbo cat]

they sam 10-30 at lower rpms and about 60k -100,000 or more but it all depends on the turbo size, engine rpm, housing size boost level, flow and pressure......10k is still faster than any fans going to spin

 

[Davis]

true. in any case, a little squirrel cage fan or computer fan in your intake is not going to help you make eleventy billion horsepower.

 

[Sevensecondsuv]

Yeah, no way anything but a real turbo is going to spin fast enough to build boost.

Another important reason (this is a thermodynamic argument) is that the way a turbo works is by extracting waste heat energy from the exhaust and using it to power a compressor. The same thing applies to a supercharger except that you are using mechanical power to run a compressor.

Theoretically, it would be possible build an electric supercharger / turbocharger that would create real boost, but you'd have to have 8 alternators and a bed full of batteries to power the thing for any amount of time, and there's no way the fan required to do this would fit in the intake tube.

 

[Ranger#1]

do you have any clue on how fast a turbo spins or how it works at all? A turbo is not just a fan. As the turbo spins faster it sucks air molecules in and the centrifugal force throws the molecules outward which compresses the molecules against the housing to pressurize the air. It dosent blow air like a fan.

second of all a turbos see thousands of rpms the average turbo under boost i belvie sees from 10,000+ so if you could get a fan to turn 10,000 rpms you still down have the scroll to compress the molecules against and how are you going to lubercate a plastic fan spining 10,000 rpms? Also the power neede to spin a fan at 10,00 rpms would be more than a automotive elcetrical system could provide

so instead of getting somthing small to spin fast get somthing bigger that can still keep pressure spin slower

 

[turbo cat]

no i meant get a real turbo those fans are proven to be junk throw it in a pile with the tornado

 

[shadetree]

Many years ago in Florida, there was a company called "Turbonique." This company had a small turbojet engine for a ton of power adder applications. They had a unit that would attach to the rear axle, and give jet assist. They also had one that would attach to the flywheel. They had a turbine driven centrifugal blower. Useful only when needed. You might give this a thought instead of the electrical unit.

You can make a jet turbine out of a turbocharger, then attach it to another turbocharger and there ya go.

There are severl "how to" sites. Here is one.

http://www.powerlabs.org/turbine.htm

shady