diesel v. gasoline exhaust.

[StrokerPuller]

I love you light duty diesel guys that think they can get the job done. ya look at me I spent $50,000 on a pick up and dumped another $20,000 in mods on it and i still can't do what a $20,000 used International 9200 can, and I am blowing so much raw fuel out my gay looking stack that I barely get better mileage that a W900L with a 3406E cat.

yeah I read diesel power too. my mechanic's son has a 2005 duramax that will break a dino and he can't tow anything because when he tries the transmission dies. you couldn't pay enough to haul a decent load (for profit) with a 6.0L powerstroke. I talk to those RV hauler guys and they all wish for a Freightliner business class but they are so burried in their light duty diesels that they can't afford one.

I use a 96 chevy 3500 with a 6.5 turbo to move a 23,000 pound boat. I do it not because the pick up gets better mileage (it doesn't by the way, it gets 10 mpg towing the boat and my tractor gets shockingly 10 mpg towing the boat) but because the weight is so well balanced on the boat trailer that it puts not enough weight on the drives on the tractor, makes stopping difficult. so yeah you might be able to pull a tractor out of a job site........ I used a Dakota to pull a loaded tractor trailer out of a blue beacon washbay........ but your pick up would cry its dieing breath if asked to move 80,000 pounds from NYC to Las Angeles CA. so go ahead talk smack about your light duty diesels but to me it is as annoying as that kid down the street with the riced out honda lawnmower civic thing.

by the by.... I can pick up 2mpg in that same Chevy 3500 by slowing it down to 60mph.......... same principal also applies to my wife's minivan...... it will pick up 6 mpg from slowing from 75 to 60.

I'd like to see a 6.5 pull 23,000 lbs and get 10mpg. And stopping it with the chevy is easier. Right I never claimed i could haul 80,000lbs across country. Thats just stupid. But I do haul roughly 18,000 lbs daily. Whats your mechanic's son's name because if he has such a powerful truck we would prolly know him.

 

[Juiceit]

Don't think anyones talking smack, just correcting your false statements and idiotic comments on your incorrect knowledge of compression ignition engines, don't be a fool, think before you talk. BDAB and others..

BTW, dunno how big that damn boat is to weigh that much, also dont know how you got 10 mpg out of a W900 with a 3406e grossing about 46k when its hard to get that bobtailing.

 

[Hazmat Ranger]

I have not read ALL of the posts here, but I must say that if I was to gt a truck for working/hauling/industrial anything - it would be a diesel. At work I occasionally have to haul one of two trailers around Texas. One is a 24' standard tag along box trailer with drop down rear door loaded with hazardous materials training equipment. The other is a tag-along flat bed that has been built into a confined space simulator with open frame work of steel and the piping (4' diameter to 6' diameter) for the spaces. I always use our 2004 Dodge with the 6 cyl Cummins - best truck we have for hauling the CS beast. And she will get us 500 miles on a tank without a trailer.
My choice for a custom personal truck is currently my Ranger, it is fun to drive and work on and I have been around the bigger trucks even worked on them: V-6 Detroit, 4 cyl Detroit, V-8 Detroit, 6 cyl Mack and Cummins all from timing the injectors/racks to adjusting valve lash on the damn Cummins (dropped the lock nut into the oil pan #*$&#^ LOL)
Power and torque - Diesel All the way

 

[Jim Oaks]

Do I really even want to read all this?

Diesel guys. I appreciate you guys logging in and setting the record straight on some things, but there really isn't any reason to be knocking the guys in those little Rangers that are slow, get in your way, and no, were not ricers.

Yes, the internet links go both ways.

Please don't log in if your intentions aren't good.

Many of us have 3/4 and 1-ton trucks that we haul our trail rigs with. I myself had a 7.3L F-250 diesel, but eventually replaced it with a 5.4L F-150 for cost reasons. I don't haul it often and the F-150 does well enough for me. Ya, I miss the diesel and may have another some day.

The F-250 was great for towing, but it aint no trail rig. That's why I have a mid size and full size truck.

 

[Will]

What I don't understand is--my dad drove a semi when I was a kid. It was a Detroit Diesel with 275hp. That was good for 80,000#.

My school bus conversion weighs 18,000# and it has 180hp and will run 70mph all day. That's a dually crewcab diesel with a 10,000# trailer.

My pickup is a 6.2 with a Banks turbo and I pull a 9,500# trailer with it and I could bury the speedo pulling it.

None of my vehicles I mentioned are a match for a Powerstroke, Cummins B or Duramax. But you won't run away from me on the interstate unless you are willing to speed, which I am not. My pickup would pull a 23,000# trailer. It's around 250hp and my dad pulled 80,000 with a 275hp from one end of the country to the other. So who gives a damn if you get up to speed 30 seconds faster than me?

I'm not impressed, honestly. I pulled howitzers in the marines with nastily-asspriated Cummins 14-liters--240hp. A 7,000#, 525hp pickup truck would be an annoyance in that environment. 150hp will pull that loader in that picture. In China they pull that with a roto-tiller. Having 500hp is your hobby. It's not mine. I have enough money to put an ISX in my truck if I wanted to. It doesn't interest me. My truck is a big strong bastard and will pull anything your pickup can pull. Might not be as quick doing it, but that doesn't interest me in the least.

 

[bobbywalter]

are you picking on me will.....i am nasty eh?





yeah so.... i am nasty.












will, i dont see this/these bastards as changing the topic to, "HEY LOOOOOKKK!!!! isnt my wallet is uber huge "...and "hey!!!! look at my massive cock and 500 hp diesel"... see it spank your 250 hp diesel....and run over your wimpy ass rangers.






its exaust.

SIMPLY PUT, the 4000 hp at my fingertips at work dont have exaust unless we are near houses or some other source of whining bitches. the exaust issues in the thead concerning diesel are horrid.


exaust intake and cooling issues can get stupid. i have to say i agree the superiority thing with the drop in posters is a nuisance for sure considering alot of us are actually diesel guys too but look at the thread for exactly what it is. easy to see where things are gruffy. in some light thats not too impressive.

in any case they are right.



but even at 170 hp some of them cummins are ptting out 5-700 plus pounds of torque. so a 170 hp 350 just aint gonna get it right? no matter what trick exaust a guy coes up with.

 

[SSpeeDEMONSS]

i didnt come on here to cause problem with all the guys that know what they are talking about. but since this thread was started i dont see any of the original posters posting more of they're knowledge. now that things got off topic and turned into bashing and flaming, the big guys who actually know have come out. if you would have just came in a set them straight things wouldnt have gotten to this point.

also, that 275hp detroit was also A LOT larger displacement wise and had A LOT more torque per horsepower. add to it the gearing and of coarse it can haul 80k.

Garett

 

[JohnnyU]

After my initial post, there was really no need for further discussion. I guess I should have closed this thread then.

After spending some time on the internet, it's quite easy to tell who you can take advice from and who you probably should ignore. There are many people from both columns around these forums, its just a matter of ignoring those from column B long enough that they disappear.

Believe it or not, you guys aren't the only one who understand how CI engines work, both N/A and Forced Induction.

 

[SSpeeDEMONSS]

After my initial post, there was really no need for further discussion. I guess I should have closed this thread then.

After spending some time on the internet, it's quite easy to tell who you can take advice from and who you probably should ignore. There are many people from both columns around these forums, its just a matter of ignoring those from column B long enough that they disappear.

Believe it or not, you guys aren't the only one who understand how CI engines work, both N/A and Forced Induction.

i never said we were. but i did say that the first page and a half of posters didnt know what they were talking about. i would much rather see them corrected right off the bat so that they can learn and know better next time. after all, if we just let it go every time, how is anybody going to learn?

Garrett

 

[JohnnyO]

correct.

Thank you. I never owned a diesel but let's just say that I read a little bit in my spare time and leave it at that.
Heh.

 

[91rangerxlt]

I am no expert, but I don't think the 6.2/6.5 were ever called "Duramax" by GM. The Izuzu 6.6 is called the "Duramax", to try to give it a semi-cool sounding name.

ok. i know my old boss had an 01 i think with the 6.6 duramax and they had to replace the injectors in it. the company said that it was a factory defect or somthing from what i remember.i aint no profesional diesel mechanic though like that garret guy though so im just throwing in what ive herd.