Cummins vs Powerstroke

[Will]

Ony 2 companys own more than 5% of Cummin's stock as of their latest SEC schedule 14a filing. Those companys are:

PRINCIPAL SECURITY OWNERSHIP


The following table identifies those shareholders known to the Company to be the beneficial owners of more than five percent of the Common Stock of the Company and shows as to each such shareholder as of December 31, 2007, on an adjusted basis reflecting a subsequent two-for-one split on January 2, 2008, (i) the number of shares beneficially owned by such shareholder(s) and the nature of such beneficial ownership and (ii) the percentage of the entire class of Common Stock so beneficially owned:


Amount & Nature of Beneficial Ownership
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Percent of Class
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State Street Bank and Trust Company
One Lincoln Street
Boston, MA 02111 21,059,718 (1) 10.36 %

FMR LLC.
82 Devonshire Street
Boston, MA 02109 17,823,056 (2) 8.77 %

These rumors were so bad in about 2005 that Cummins had a page in their FAQ that said something like "Ford does not own Cummins. It's usual for companies to hold each others stock in order to diversify--blah blah blah."

 

[BigJohn76]

Cummins is a great motor but they screwed up on this 6.7 or whatever it is in the new ones. i know a few guys who bought them and got rid of them within 6 months because they couldn't do what their old 5.9s did. but again that's just what i hear.

Also, i have a 6.9 International and i can out-pull a kid who has a 6.0 powerstroke with a chip. it could also be because the kid doesnt know how to drive but whatever.

if i ever get the money, i would like to put a 5.9 in my 83 250. i found a motor for 500 but i have no money or time to work on it.

 

[BigJohn76]

Cat 6

HELL YEAH.

 

[mentalbreakdown00]

They did not quit making v8's in big trucks because of lack of duability or power. The last truck with a V8 i believe was a mack superliner 998 cubic inches of power. They stopped making it because of emissions, same with all the 2 stroke v8's and 6's, which i think a 2 stroke is hard to beat, and I wanna see a truck that can outpull a superliner with the v8....I am a ford and navistar tech and personally I love the 7.3, but like common rail diesels better and am glad they have gone to common rail on the ford's but the epa is destroying these truck not ford, have you seen the emissions these have to pass? I garuntee that if it wasnt for the epa the 7.3 would still be in production, also ford will not say what they will do in 2010 yet since even the 6.4 does not meet all the new emission standards after 2010.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

They did not quit making v8's in big trucks because of lack of duability or power. The last truck with a V8 i believe was a mack superliner 998 cubic inches of power. They stopped making it because of emissions, same with all the 2 stroke v8's and 6's, which i think a 2 stroke is hard to beat, and I wanna see a truck that can outpull a superliner with the v8....I am a ford and navistar tech and personally I love the 7.3, but like common rail diesels better and am glad they have gone to common rail on the ford's but the epa is destroying these truck not ford, have you seen the emissions these have to pass? I garuntee that if it wasnt for the epa the 7.3 would still be in production, also ford will not say what they will do in 2010 yet since even the 6.4 does not meet all the new emission standards after 2010.

Actually they are making their own diesel, I have heard both that it is a V-8 and an inline. They made good diesel tractor engines back when they owned their own tractor division so they at least at one point had some experiance with it... too bad they sold out of that in the '70's though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powerstroke#6.7

I think they went with inlines in trucks for the same reason they did in tractors... width. You can only make your engine so wide before it doesn't fit under the cool semi truck looking hood anymore and it is a pain to work on between the wheels... but length isn't quite so tight in a truck.

 

[Will]

Cummins is a great motor but they screwed up on this 6.7 or whatever it is in the new ones. i know a few guys who bought them and got rid of them within 6 months because they couldn't do what their old 5.9s did. but again that's just what i hear.

Also, i have a 6.9 International and i can out-pull a kid who has a 6.0 powerstroke with a chip. it could also be because the kid doesnt know how to drive but whatever.

if i ever get the money, i would like to put a 5.9 in my 83 250. i found a motor for 500 but i have no money or time to work on it.

They screwed up on the 6.7 because it can't do what the 5.9 could do? Is that what you are saying? First, it's rated at 350hp and 650ft#. I believe that's more than any 5.9 left the factory with--and having more displacement it has more room to grow. What you should think about is that the 6.7 is built to a different set of rules. There's always issues with a new release of course. But it is a better engine and because it's larger it will be running down those 5.9s when people get them sorted out.

And a 6.9 outpulling a 6.0 Powerstroke? There's something like 200hp and 200ft# of difference between those engines. Even turning your Cubs cap around backwards and holding your mouth right won't make up for that.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

And a 6.9 outpulling a 6.0 Powerstroke? There's something like 200hp and 200ft# of difference between those engines. Even turning your Cubs cap around backwards and holding your mouth right won't make up for that.

It could happen, but you can't blame the engine for that. Unless it is a really wild 6.9 a 6.0 with a competant driver should blow it out of the water.

 

[Jason]

Cat 6

Too bad Cat is getting out of the on highway engine biz. even the ISX was a hell of an engine. I passed alot of trucks uphill with my T660 when I had it.

http://fleetowner.com/equipment/caterpillar_navistar_agreement_0612/
http://www.allbusiness.com/manufacturing/machinery-equipment-manufacturing/11465317-1.html
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FZX/is_7_74/ai_n27971841

 

[84projectFORD]

i assume no one likes the duramax as it has not been metioned. I know he was talkin stricly about the ford vs dodge but i would take my dmax over the dodge or ford if we were goin for racing. The dmax takes less performace equipment than the dodge or older fords and can run just as fast. Im also a chevy guy anyhow but ive beat many a ford or dodges with just a chip, exhaust and drop in filter vs dodges w/ injectors, lift pumps, chips, turbos, exhaust, and some valve work (buddies mega cab on 37s, mine on 37s also). My friends Dmax on 37s runs the 1/4 in a 13.7 w/ just a lift pump, EFILive tune, suncoast tranny, exhaust, and intake w/ a 4wd launch.

 

[Sevensecondsuv]

A lot of my friends have diesels. Everyone liked the 7.3 when they made them. Right when the 6.0 came out is when Ford's diesel offerings went down the crapper. Being a Ford enthusiast I was holding out hope for the 6.4 but it seems to eat injectors, head gaskets, and head bolts faster than the 6.0 even, combined with getting 10 mpg and having to remove the cab to service the turbo's.... Pretty much completely unappealing now.

Then everyone was big on the 6BT dodges, even though they knew the rest of the truck was bottom of the pile grade. Now they're all running duramaxes and love 'em. Although it seems the duramaxes seem to throw in the towel relatively early for a diesel. From what I've seen, at much past 150,000-175,000 miles they turn into a ford 6.0 and start blowing headgaskets and fuel injectors.

Then again all my friends are driving around in these 30,000 or 40,000 dollar trucks because they apparently need penis extenders.... Most of the farmers and others I know who work their trucks hard are running old Ford gassers, mostly the 300 6 cyl, with a few 5.4's, 6.8's, 351's, 460's, 350 chevy's, 7.3's, and 6BT dodges.

I personally think my friends are incredibly foolish, immature, shortsighted, and selfish for driving around in these huge $30,0000 trucks they can't really afford at the age of 20 when they're still living with mommy and daddy. Needless to say I don't really see the point of a 500 horsepower, smoke billowing, 8,000 lb heavy duty trailer hauler just to drive to work and/or school. But's that just me.

 

[Will]

i assume no one likes the duramax as it has not been metioned.

I like the Duramax. I like the Allison too so if I were going to get a new truck it would probably be that.

 

[84projectFORD]

A lot of my friends have diesels. Everyone liked the 7.3 when they made them. Right when the 6.0 came out is when Ford's diesel offerings went down the crapper. Being a Ford enthusiast I was holding out hope for the 6.4 but it seems to eat injectors, head gaskets, and head bolts faster than the 6.0 even, combined with getting 10 mpg and having to remove the cab to service the turbo's.... Pretty much completely unappealing now.

Then everyone was big on the 6BT dodges, even though they knew the rest of the truck was bottom of the pile grade. Now they're all running duramaxes and love 'em. Although it seems the duramaxes seem to throw in the towel relatively early for a diesel. From what I've seen, at much past 150,000-175,000 miles they turn into a ford 6.0 and start blowing headgaskets and fuel injectors.

Then again all my friends are driving around in these 30,000 or 40,000 dollar trucks because they apparently need penis extenders.... Most of the farmers and others I know who work their trucks hard are running old Ford gassers, mostly the 300 6 cyl, with a few 5.4's, 6.8's, 351's, 460's, 350 chevy's, 7.3's, and 6BT dodges.

I personally think my friends are incredibly foolish, immature, shortsighted, and selfish for driving around in these huge $30,0000 trucks they can't really afford at the age of 20 when they're still living with mommy and daddy. Needless to say I don't really see the point of a 500 horsepower, smoke billowing, 8,000 lb heavy duty trailer hauler just to drive to work and/or school. But's that just me.

well as for the duramax, they dont go out as soon as you think. i guessin all you here are horror stories about them but these motors actually go easily to 300K no problem if well taken care of maintenece wise. The only dmax that had a headgasket or inject problem was the LB7 motor (found in the 01 to early 04 HDs). the injectors would go out as mine did due to too much voltage running through them (92 volts) to work them. the head gaskets were a hit or miss as the gasket its self was too thin to begin with, not due to streching head bolts. all of mine have been replaced under warrenty as most anyone else with that motor and fixed the problems permenatly when used under stock conditions (no high hp chips and such).

When chevy came out with the LLY motor all the injector and headgasket probs were fixed and they only got better from there. The LB7 motor is my fav as i know how to work on dmax's and that motor can run like a raped ape with little mods.

As for no need for a 30k to 40k truck and farmers dont use them, i kinda have to differ. I plenty of people out in the Midwest that use the hell out of their dmax for farming. Now for saying your friends are immature, that may be true but for fellas like me (yes im 22 and not ashamed of it) i built my diesel for off roading and draggin broke vehicles out (including my own), towing my dads 16K double decker tongue trailer when the motorhome cant take it some where and watching the faces on rice burners, cameros or mustanges when i beat them in a race. I dont live at home and hate when people assume "mommy and daddy paid for it", that truck is all my money and am proud of her. Sure i could build a ranger or some gasser truck but for what it cost to build a diesel up, its the same if not cheaper and its more fun to drive IMO.

Now im not tryin to start anything, jsut adding fact to your opinion.

I like the Duramax. I like the Allison too so if I were going to get a new truck it would probably be that.

glad to see someone else that likes them here. Im not alone!!

 

[Beef52751]

I dont know why everyone knocks the 6.0s so bad, they are fast, hard running motors. they did run into a few problems(like ALL new motors will) but people complaining of blowing the heads off of a 6.0 multiple times is just stupidity. A set of ARP studs would have these motors top of the line. we have had my bros truck up to 35 PSI with no problems. its faster than his buddies 7.3(im not knockin 7.3s, im just sayin). Its hard to beat a cummins though. all though if it came down to it id buy a Powerstroke.
Beef

 

[Jason]

...snip...they did run into a few problems(like ALL new motors will)...snip...

Not true man. All new motors should be tested fully. I won't name companies, but there are a few out there that rarely have any issues with new engines.

 

[Will]

Name the companies that don't have issues so I can search for issues. It's not Cummins, or Cat or Navistar because I can think of issues off the top of my head for those.