Coronavirus

[Jim Oaks]

Ok. A few important questions;

Was I still alive?
Was TRS still online?

 

[Snoranger]

And what are next weeks lotto numbers?

 

[8thTon]

I am too. To my knowledge this is the only published study of it's kind so far. I am expecting others in the weeks to come.

If someone comes in to my area looking to do an anti-body test like this I want to try and get tested. My wife and I both had a cold that fits the description of a more mild case of Corona back near the end of October, and with the date that it may have first made it to the US getting pushed earlier all the time I am suspicious. Particularly of her case because she had it for weeks, was constantly told my her doc it was viral, not flu, nothing to be done just ride it out, and then after a month they gave her a z-pac and it cleared up in days. Azithromycin (Z-Pac) is one of the drugs proven effective against COVID-19.

A lot of interesting stuff happened last year, from clusters of pneumonia at nursing homes to the vaping thing, and a civilian agency (CDC) shut down a military biowarfare lab at Fort Detrick in August.

 

[Jim Oaks]

They opened that lab back up this month.

 

[adsm08]

Ok. A few important questions;

Was I still alive?
Was TRS still online?

No and no. A mandated death at 70 years old had been instituted to solve over-population since Corona didn't kill enough people, and gas engines had been outlawed, so most car forums died. Bobby had been working on a viable electric drive system for the earlier Rangers and was close when he turned 70, but all his notes were destroyed in the fire fight when they came for him.

And what are next weeks lotto numbers?

Which lottery?

 

[Curious Hound]

No and no. A mandated death at 70 years old had been instituted to solve over-population since Corona didn't kill enough people, and gas engines had been outlawed, so most car forums died. Bobby had been working on a viable electric drive system for the earlier Rangers and was close when he turned 70, but all his notes were destroyed in the fire fight when they came for him.




Which lottery?

The SC Education lottery Powerball drawing on Wednesday night.

 

[sgtsandman]

There was a cough that was running around here for a while late last year. I wouldn't be surprised if it was the Corana Virus, being the China was not all that forth coming on what was going on.

 

[Snoranger]

Which lottery?

The one we’re going to win.

 

[adsm08]

The one we’re going to win.

Sorry, there were no notable lottery records from Coronapocalypse.

 

[JohnnyO]

There is finally an anti-body test that can show if you had it and recovered without actually being diagnosed.

They did a run of testing with it in a part of California looking for people who had it and recovered, trying to get a sense of just how wide spread it actually was. They did their tests, ran their statistical analysis, and came back with the conclusion that the actual infection rate, nation-wide, may be 50-80 times, not percent, but 50-80 times higher than previously known, putting the upper end estimates of the actual number of US infected near 48 million.

Here is the study: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.14.20062463v1

Here is the article that made me aware of it: https://townhall.com/tipsheet/brons...ns-much-higher-death-rate-much-lower-n2567155

Talk radio guy I listen to in the morning already posited that CA's numbers may be relatively lighter because of the large Asian population and travel and it may have been there earlier than anyone knew about, like September or October and the population developed what is known as "herd immunity", some got sick, some didn't, but people were exposed and developed antibodies for it.

 

[4.0blue98]

There is finally an anti-body test that can show if you had it and recovered without actually being diagnosed.

They did a run of testing with it in a part of California looking for people who had it and recovered, trying to get a sense of just how wide spread it actually was. They did their tests, ran their statistical analysis, and came back with the conclusion that the actual infection rate, nation-wide, may be 50-80 times, not percent, but 50-80 times higher than previously known, putting the upper end estimates of the actual number of US infected near 48 million.

Here is the study: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.14.20062463v1

Here is the article that made me aware of it: https://townhall.com/tipsheet/brons...ns-much-higher-death-rate-much-lower-n2567155

I'm usually wary of those preprints but in this case I know some of the authors (reputation not personally) and they are from Stanford and not some Chinese state run university. This doesn't surprise me at all as far as the magnitude of exposure. When you only test people who are symptomatic you'll never get the true scale. This antibody test has been what we've been told about and waiting for, but producing the millions needed is no small feat. This is what is needed to get things open again as many others have said.

I had the "flu" in the beginning of January that knocked me on my ass for almost two weeks. All the symptoms and the rolling fever for days. I had the flu shot in September, and while not all inclusive, it was a bit to aggressive to be something that got around the shot. The NIH run antibody test (same type "serosurvey") had all the volunteers they needed so looks like I'll have to wait to find out.

 

[RonD]

Z-pack is an antibiotic so strictly for bacterial infections, Flu is viral as is Covid-19, and "the common cold"

But bacterial infections can show up when your system gets weak because you had a viral infection, i.e. a cold can become pneumonia

Viral infections don't last as long as bacterial in most cases
A cold is viral, so 3 to 5 days
Pneumonia is bacterial, 2 to 3 weeks
So if you get sick and it just "hangs on" then its most likely now a bacterial infection, virus infection is over
So the Z-pack can now work

There are no anti-viral drugs that work very well, just vaccines made from weakened or empty virus shells, these shells are eventually detected by your immune system cells, and they bind to them, and "remember the different shapes", sometimes for years and years and sometimes just for 1 or 2 years, each person and virus is different
Getting a vaccination AFTER you are already infected doesn't help, because the "shapes" your immune system needs to bind with are already there, and not recognized as "bad"
People who are getting over Covid-19 with milder symptoms have an immune system that recognized it as "bad" faster so started binding with its "offspring" faster, ridding the body of it
This could be because they were exposed to a similar virus in the past, not exactly the same "shape" but maybe a partial "shape" just enough to interfere with its replication in you body, so mild symptoms

Vaccine works if you are infected by an active virus with "the same shape" THEN your immune system can react quickly to bind to it so the Virus can't bind to body's cells and reproduce/replicate

Viruses evolve and change their "shape" this is what Covid-19 is, and a Covid-19 vaccine will come around

You often need a "flu shot" every year, because of slight changes in "shapes" and to nudge your immune system's memory, lol, but this is also to protect others, so you don't spread the Flu virus

The "common cold" virus has eluded any vaccines, but every year a "new cure" is tried

Hydroxychloroquine is not a preventative drug nor is Z-Pack
Hydroxychloroquine is used to SUPPRESS your immune system, it is used once someone has an infection and their immune system is OVER REACTING to the infection

Z-pack is used if a person gets a bacterial infection because a virus has weakened their system, and/or because they were given hydroxychloroquine which is suppose to weaken the immune system

Neither has any effect on this virus or any other virus directly

 

[adsm08]

Z-pack is an antibiotic so strictly for bacterial infections, Flu is viral as is Covid-19, and "the common cold"

But bacterial infections can show up when your system gets weak because you had a viral infection, i.e. a cold can become pneumonia

Viral infections don't last as long as bacterial in most cases
A cold is viral, so 3 to 5 days
Pneumonia is bacterial, 2 to 3 weeks
So if you get sick and it just "hangs on" then its most likely now a bacterial infection, virus infection is over
So the Z-pack can now work

There are no anti-viral drugs that work very well, just vaccines made from weakened or empty virus shells, these shells are eventually detected by your immune system cells, and they bind to them, and "remember the different shapes", sometimes for years and years and sometimes just for 1 or 2 years, each person and virus is different
Getting a vaccination AFTER you are already infected doesn't help, because the "shapes" your immune system needs to bind with are already there, and not recognized as "bad"
People who are getting over Covid-19 with milder symptoms have an immune system that recognized it as "bad" faster so started binding with its "offspring" faster, ridding the body of it
This could be because they were exposed to a similar virus in the past, not exactly the same "shape" but maybe a partial "shape" just enough to interfere with its replication in you body, so mild symptoms

Vaccine works if you are infected by an active virus with "the same shape" THEN your immune system can react quickly to bind to it so the Virus can't bind to body's cells and reproduce/replicate

Viruses evolve and change their "shape" this is what Covid-19 is, and a Covid-19 vaccine will come around

You often need a "flu shot" every year, because of slight changes in "shapes" and to nudge your immune system's memory, lol, but this is also to protect others, so you don't spread the Flu virus

The "common cold" virus has eluded any vaccines, but every year a "new cure" is tried

Hydroxychloroquine is not a preventative drug nor is Z-Pack
Hydroxychloroquine is used to SUPPRESS your immune system, it is used once someone has an infection and their immune system is OVER REACTING to the infection

Z-pack is used if a person gets a bacterial infection because a virus has weakened their system, and/or because they were given hydroxychloroquine which is suppose to weaken the immune system

Neither has any effect on this virus or any other virus directly

Azithromycin has some odd anti-viral properties that are not well understood.

Azithromycin induces anti-viral effects in cultured bronchial epithelial cells from COPD patients - PMC

Rhinovirus infection is a major cause of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) exacerbations and may contribute to the development into severe stages of COPD. The macrolide antibiotic azithromycin may exert anti-viral actions and has been ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Azithromycin Protects against Zika virus Infection by Upregulating virus-induced Type I and III Interferon Responses - PubMed

Azithromycin (AZM) is a widely used antibiotic, with additional antiviral and anti-inflammatory properties that remain poorly understood. Although Zika virus (ZIKV) poses a significant threat to global health, there are currently no vaccines or effective therapeutics against it. Herein, we...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[4.0blue98]

Pharmacology can be very complicated for these drugs. Even though chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine does have a weak immune suppression activity that may be useful for Covid-19, it's well documented activity as an antimalarial agent is very distinct.

I wouldn't say there are not any good antiviral agents, oseltamivir (Tamiflu) is pretty good at what it does. Helped me when I had H1N1 years ago. Remdesivir looks pretty good and many of those nucleotide analogs are used for a variety of viral infections. Yes, the best way to defeat a virus will always be with a vaccine. Unfortunately viruses are built to avoid your immune system and the defense that even many vaccines provide. The use of plasma supplementation from recovered victims may be a very viable approach if indeed so many people are out there carrying the anitbodies.

 

[RonD]

Problem is the more "we" use any antibiotic the more likely we will create "super bacteria"

Now if the choice is dying or using Z-pack then you of course use it
And I have no doubt it can help the immune system once someone is infected with a disease, that is what it is for

Used tamiflu, doesn't work well, turns out "testing" was done by the maker and benefits were skewed a bit, it can help just not for everyone