2019 ford ranger-first look.

[2002edgeplussupercab]

any word on Diesel availability in the US for 2019 and when we can order?
Also is there a means to out the transfer case in the N position for towing?

Why do you want a 4 cyl. diesel engine in a small truck when it already has a turbo 4 cyl. engine with more power ?

 

[2002edgeplussupercab]

The new ranger really doesnt do much for me. Either does the new 150 or superduties. Its aggravating as hell that everything has to be a computer on wheels. I dont want touch screens, digital faux analog gauges, goofy terrian controls, and whatever other BS they use.

Vehicle tech should of halted somewhere between 87-96.

Better try to keep those old trucks of yours on the road then. High Tech is in everything nowadays and DUH here to stay.

 

[2000sport]

Why do you want a 4 cyl. diesel engine in a small truck when it already has a turbo 4 cyl. engine with more power ?

I'm not sure how much power some guys want in a small pickup. Pretty soon your towing more than what the weight of the truck is designed for. They expect the 2.3L to get 280hp and 310 torque. Back in 1997 the 5.8L got 210hp and 325 torque. The '05 4.6L got 231 HP and 293 Torque. Many are worried about the turbos holding up. Many road tractors go well over 500,000 miles on one.

 

[blksn8k]

Many road tractors go well over 500,000 miles on one.

I don't see the turbos on an EcoBoost gas engine being a problem either but your comparison is a bit apples to oranges.

The turbo on a gas engine will see much higher rpm's than one on a diesel, especially those on a "road tractor", and a potentially shorter lifespan as a result.

http://www.wcengineering.com/articles/dieselturbo.html

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

I don't see the turbos on an EcoBoost gas engine being a problem either but your comparison is a bit apples to oranges.

The turbo on a gas engine will see much higher rpm's than one on a diesel, especially those on a "road tractor", and a potentially shorter lifespan as a result.

http://www.wcengineering.com/articles/dieselturbo.html

It is kind of a fickle comparison.

The HD diesel is designed to work at a higher load for extended periods of time than a comparable gas engine. I deal with farm tractors, a 200hp tractor is a pretty good sized horse. It sounds pathetic compared to a 400hp or whatever half ton pickup but that thing is designed to run at nearly that hp rating all day and all night. A pickup engine couldn't take it, the strength isn't there. The cooling isn't there. They are just not designed to do it because it never happens in pickupland because the rest of the truck couldn't take it either.

Even my little NA 65 year old gas tractor will carry a blue cone of fire out of the OEM replacement muffler under a heavy load on a cool night. It is a different world than a pickup engine.

 

[adsm08]

any word on Diesel availability in the US for 2019 and when we can order?

Ford's position on a diesel engine in anything less than 6 liters or smaller than a Super Duty, for the US market, is "go pound sand".

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

Ford's position on a diesel engine in anything less than 6 liters or smaller than a Super Duty, for the US market, is "go pound sand".

The new F150 diesel doesn’t fit in this position.

 

[adsm08]

The new F150 diesel doesn’t fit in this position.

Are they actually doing it? I mean 100%, it's in the sales info released to dealers?

That's another one of those things that I will actually believe when I actually see one.

Also, if they do do it, Ford may have had their hand forced on that by MOPAR with that Eco-Diesel in the Rams 1500.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

They had one at Detroit. I have seen them advertised too. I think for 2020.

 

[2002edgeplussupercab]

Are they actually doing it? I mean 100%, it's in the sales info released to dealers?

That's another one of those things that I will actually believe when I actually see one.

Also, if they do do it, Ford may have had their hand forced on that by MOPAR with that Eco-Diesel in the Rams 1500.

The 3.0 diesel is available to order now. Does not have the torque of a 3.5TT tho and is not rated to haul as much as HDPP or tow as much as Max Tow.

 

[stmitch]

Are they actually doing it? I mean 100%, it's in the sales info released to dealers?

That's another one of those things that I will actually believe when I actually see one.

Also, if they do do it, Ford may have had their hand forced on that by MOPAR with that Eco-Diesel in the Rams 1500.

Half ton truck market is so cutthroat that marketing plays a huge role. The diesel F150 isn't going to be a towing monster. I think they're gunning for "Best in class" fuel efficiency to make the marketing dept happy. Modern diesels cost a ton of money to develop, certify, manufacture, and own, so if they're doing it, they must see a demand for it.
That being said, I don't see a ton of EcoDiesel Rams around, and they've had some legal troubles in the last year or so regarding emissions compliance. IT's cost FCA some sales, and could cost them piles of cash too. Hopefully Ford doesn't regret giving their customers the option of an oil burner.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

Half ton truck market is so cutthroat that marketing plays a huge role. The diesel F150 isn't going to be a towing monster. I think they're gunning for "Best in class" fuel efficiency to make the marketing dept happy. Modern diesels cost a ton of money to develop, certify, manufacture, and own, so if they're doing it, they must see a demand for it.
That being said, I don't see a ton of EcoDiesel Rams around, and they've had some legal troubles in the last year or so regarding emissions compliance. IT's cost FCA some sales, and could cost them piles of cash too. Hopefully Ford doesn't regret giving their customers the option of an oil burner.

Ford is kind of in hot water with their powerstroke emissions too.

I think most guys around me buy a diesel Ram because it comes with a Cummins or a gas Ram because they are cheap. I see them in Omaha but I have yet to see one locally.

Emissions aside I hope the F-150 diesel isn't an interference engine or there will be plenty of regret to go around...



Apparently someone's uncle has a belt factory that has been slow, they even have a belt on the back of the engine to run the fuel pump.



Respectable #'s though.

 

[2000sport]

It is kind of a fickle comparison.

The HD diesel is designed to work at a higher load for extended periods of time than a comparable gas engine. I deal with farm tractors, a 200hp tractor is a pretty good sized horse. It sounds pathetic compared to a 400hp or whatever half ton pickup but that thing is designed to run at nearly that hp rating all day and all night. A pickup engine couldn't take it, the strength isn't there. The cooling isn't there. They are just not designed to do it because it never happens in pickupland because the rest of the truck couldn't take it either.

Even my little NA 65 year old gas tractor will carry a blue cone of fire out of the OEM replacement muffler under a heavy load on a cool night. It is a different world than a pickup engine.

Tractor is also geared way down too. Run a diesel pickup around in only in 1st or 2nd gear you would have way more power than you can put to the ground in that situation for what it could pull.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

Tractor is also geared way down too. Run a diesel pickup around in only in 1st or 2nd gear you would have way more power than you can put to the ground in that situation for what it could pull.

Uh, huh.

Truck motor in a tractor won't stay together at that load at the truck power rating doing tractor things.

Kinda the same rational that gives the 6.7 has 330hp 750lb-ft in a F-450 chassis cab and 440hp and 925 lb-ft in a measly F-250.

 

[Dar70]

The new ranger really doesnt do much for me. Either does the new 150 or superduties. Its aggravating as hell that everything has to be a computer on wheels. I dont want touch screens, digital faux analog gauges, goofy terrian controls, and whatever other BS they use.

Vehicle tech should of halted somewhere between 87-96.

Going ten years with my 2008 Ranger. It's been in a couple accidents and it's just getting old. Been a great vehicle over the years. This new Ranger doesn't do it for me either. Aesthically it is lacking and I'm sure the price will be pretty high for a small pickup. I would rather just get an F-250 regular cab 4x4. Yeah I really don't need the power but harsh winter's here in Michigan really beat vehicles up. So i go for durability and the 250 has that. Gas mileage sucks but that's a trade-off. Plus it looks great in the regular cab config. Dodge and Chevy look like crap, the cab roof line slopes way to much. As for all the computer stuff you are worried about... It's impossible to get away from it all. Just try to config something that has less. It's not healthy or advantageous to live like a Luddite but I can see your point about having too much in a vehicle. But I would rather have added safety features like back up camera and blind spot sensors rather than the alternative....SELF DRIVING CARS.... uhhhgggg....there are groups pushing for it and the only way it won't get here is to make manual driven cars as safe possible.