Absolutely heart breaking waste

[ragajungle]

Because some of your posts have that flavor: "all foreign-made (stuff) is shit."

Well isn't it?

I dunno if Union has anything to do with it, I just prefer to give my $ to American families. I used to work for Ford and manufactured Engine patterns (right in Racine) FAI / Foundary Allied, yes I was in an Aerospace Union, but not to get all uniony. I realize the good and bad in a union.

I am just PRO AMERICAN - that's all.

When I car shop I make sure is has the most domestically produced parts on it (and its a ford) When I buy clothes or even a tupperware I check the label.. Cant win all the time, but I try. When I bought the Timken bearings for my explorer vs the Auto zone Chinese sourced ones I gave my $ to an American family. The Chinese ones I bought previously (when short on cash) failed in a year.

 

[ragajungle]

I helped create updates for the 2.0L and 3.0L patterns (found in Rangers, Taurus, Escort, Etc..)

 

[Ranger Dave (B25)]

Well isn't it?

Congratulations. That's one of the dumbest things I've ever seen posted here.

I have 2 Toyotas. Yep, Japanese cars. Yep, made in America.

Yep, one has 223k on it and still going strong.

Lousy Jap crap.

Of my several Jettas:

one sold with 300k-plus on it, and I wish I had it back. Built in Germany. POS...

one sold with 250k-plus (guessing, the odo quit about 130k, and I drove it forever after that). Made in Mexico. POS...

One scrapped with close to 200k on it because it had been totaled - twice - and I drove it for a couple years after as a commuter until it just finally said 'enough.' POS...

The F-150 I had, I sold with less than 100k on the rebuilt engine - that my dad had to have installed at 59k because some assembly line monkey left something loose in the engine and it grenaded. USA, USA, USA!

My Mazda has 230k or so on it. Still going strong.

No, not everything foreign is shit.

No, not everything US-built is superior.

Night, all.

 

[maemae]

I disagree.

What I quoted is what was posted. How anyone could spin that into 'what he means is...' is beyond me.




I read that as they make more pollutants than the vehicle they replaced.

Now, if the PO really meant 'the production of these vehicles creates more pollutants than the vehicle being replaced would have,' it should have been phrased that way.

Sorry, not buying it. YMMV.

I am sorry for my bad grammar, and the fact that you (and only you) interpreted my post wrong, but that is not what I meant. Don't try to spin my words around.
I meant that the resources (time, energy, materials) to make the more efficient eco engines produces a bigger carbon foot print, than the clunkers would if they were still on the road. Of course the newer engines produce less of a carbon foot print duh.
Also pouring silicate in the clunker engines and having them pour out all of that smoke, yah I'm sure that is good for the environment too (sarcasm).

 

[maemae]

I know I am gonna be abused for this (They'll beat me unmercifully and poke at me and twist my assy nipples [Jerky Boys] Snicker Snicker)


BUT Ford has demonstrated that they can produce a car that has catastrophic failure in under 30K miles....GOOGLE 5r55e transmission problems and you'll find about 3 million hits on it. Alot of those failures happened under 30K miles. Rangers, Explorers, Sport Tracks, Lincoln Aviators all use the same crummy rehashed A4LD trans - rehashed to make it worse. Between here and explorer forums there are people incessantly posting on this issue, myself included..

Don't get me wrong I love Ford, but they should stay away from the Borduae (SP) produced transmission

True, that is why Ford, and other American manufactures got a bad reputation back in the 90's. However every car company has their bad times too. Recently Toyota with their sticky gas petals, and now Honda with their auto transmissions going out of park. It does not mean that all of their cars are bad though.
And for the record, I don't think foreign made cars are bad. They are some of the best cars out there. I like both foreign made and American made equally. I just support American made more, because it directly effects our economy.

 

[Frank The Tank]

I may or may not have a C4C engine in one of my vehicles......... muahahahaha.

Frank

 

[mp3deviant721]

No, not everything foreign is shit.
No, not everything US-built is superior.

Exactly. I still can't comprehend that some people don't get that. I guess idiots will be idiots. I tend to ignore those kind of people.

 

[Jason]

Well if you are soo green, do you believe in recycling? If so then wouldn't it be more prudent to take a older car or truck that has already been produced, and update it to modern standards instead of manufacturing new equipment, this is the point we are trying to make, and not all of the clunkers were gas hogs, most vehicles only get 1-2 mpg better than the 20 yr old counter parts they are replacing. My horrible polluting 1989 toyota corolla with a CARB, get 32 mpg, what does a 2010 get?

Those vehicles wouldn't qualify for C4C. Also, that 32mpg Toyota polluted much more heavily. A new Corolla for example, in an urban environment, probably has cleaner air coming out the tailpipe than it sucked through the intake. 2010 1.8 is 35mpg highway with way more power than the 89 had.

 

[mentalbreakdown00]

Ok, so I am supposed to pay 20,000$ to buy something that gets maybe 1.5 the hp, and 2 mpg better than my existing car, also parts are a lot more expensive. My point is that it would be more economically sound to take a car that has already been made and update it with modern drive trains and such.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

Ok, so I am supposed to pay 20,000$ to buy something that gets maybe 1.5 the hp, and 2 mpg better than my existing car, also parts are a lot more expensive. My point is that it would be more economically sound to take a car that has already been made and update it with modern drive trains and such.

Or if it is in good shape make it available at a lower cost to those that otherwise can't afford a new car.

A 1998 50k mile 5.0 Ford Explorer that gets 15mpg is better for the enviroment than 1982 Caprice Classic that gets 10mpg and 3qts to 500 miles.

The really sad thing is quite a few of the C4C cars were not clunkers, and it did nothing to eliminate the true clunkers... because if the people that own them could afford to buy a better car they would. Most people that particpated were going to get a new car anyway, or had a qualifying vehicle setting around taking up space.

 

[AllanD]

The desire to have cleaner cars is "nice" but we have gone well past the dimishing returns point. cars are already producing less emmissions than the air they take in under some conditions....

And the economy of a newer vehiche simply doesn't make up for the pollution of making the newer car in the first place.

Then we have the push to Hybreds, yeah neat concept, beautiful execution in some cases... now someone tell me what it's good for if you live outside a major metro area?
(Rhetorical question because ANY answer you give other than a snicker is either your own lie or one someone else fed you that you were taken in by)

Pure electrics? also no, commuter car for short distances? mabey for an URBAN environment

Compressed hydrogen? a technical novelty.

If someone GAVE me a Hydrogen fueled BMW I could drive it to the nearest hydrogen fueling station (85-ish miles to Trenton NJ) refuel it and drive it back... after which the only way it would ever go anywhere is on the back of a tow truck.

all the alternatives aren't alternatives they are under-developed novelties.

Only a liberal mind enforcing their progressive agenda could think up something so completely divorced from reality.





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[Jason]

The purpose of Hybrids, IMHO and that of some designers, is to act as a stepping stone easing the public in to electric vehicles. A showcase of technology more than anything. Prove that the motor/generators can stand up to the roads, heat and life in a daily driven car.

 

[mentalbreakdown00]

Ok, so i'm one of those that cannot afford a new car, one because i'm not stupid enough to own one and lose money, two because my vehicle is paid of in terms of pollution used to create it (in fact I am looking into swapping in about a 2000 model engine/ trans combo), three it only gets 2 mpg better than my $200 car, name one reason I should buy this new car, because I need a status symbol? Because It's better for the Earth? You convince me to go out and spend that kind of money.

 

[Jason]

Why convince you? Buy what you like. I like newer vehicles but outside of the M3 nothing I own could really be called a status vehicle. Those that know me saw the pile of M3 I brought home too so no status there. If I had more free time I would love an older vehicle but I don't have time to fix anything lately.

 

[ragajungle]

Congratulations. That's one of the dumbest things I've ever seen posted here.

I have 2 Toyotas....... =QUOTE]

Ranger Dave you assume that I don't know that TOYOTA and NISSAN and many other car companies are comprised of more DOMESTICALLY Sourced Parts than Ford. I know this. and it's Not idiotic to support American Entrepreneurship and point out the fact that Imported things have KILLED this econ... I like toyota and the like, heck the Sienna is the most American vehicle on the road... I said IMPORTED (Hyundai, KIA, and any other company that slings its garbage here without making at least 30% of its parts here). I am talking about the plastic crap, the sub-par replacement parts and outsourced contracts that result in crappy cars. Maybe you should have READ my previous posts.

I know it upsets some people on here that I like American things-things that generate JOBS for Americans.. Must be part of my socialist, nazi, french, gay, death-panel, liberal agenda... Wow