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Heres another inline everyone will hate!


henryj10

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Thinking about a Ford 3.7L 223 anyone know if its ever been done in a ranger its a 90 reg cab Ranger with a 3" lift. Even though every ones discredits the 300's and the like when it comes to horse and torque of inlines, its hard for me to deny the longevity/simplicity of these things. Even the stock 2.3's in rangers. The inline 4's in my experience last longer than other options I've never seen a v6 or v8 last 377,000 250,000 200,000 the 3.0 4.0 etc.

jason
 
How thick is your experience? I personally have worn only a couple of engines down to the nub, abuse not included. There is no evidence of an in-line 4 or 6 outlasting a V6 or V8. It very much matters how it was treated. My current daily driver has 134,000 on it and is an inline-4 and was obviously babied and I can tell it will run for 400,000 because I drive it easy too. My 4.0 had issues at 140K when I bought it--like the oil had rarely been changed. These are more important by far than the mystical alignment of the cylinders. I would not swap in whatever engine that is based on an unverifyable feeling. I don't like engine swaps--and I've done a few. It's much better to buy what you want. If you have a 2.3 Ranger and want 223" worth of torque, get a 4.0 Ranger and avoid the hassle.
 
Inline 6's tend to live a long time for a couple of reasons....

1- Not sure about the 223, but the 240/300 had 7 main bearings. More then enouigh bottom end strength to see the 3500 max rpm duty that was mostly asked of them.

2- They are perfectly balanced. On a V Engine you have forces from all different directions acting on things. On an inline its perfect balance.

3- They dont rev. Most inlines dont make alot of HP, but they make low rpm torque and a lot of it. Its mainly cause of the way there tuned but RPM, espically on an engine that has 4inch of stroke is alot of mass to be spinning at 5000RPM, A V8 will turn 5000RPM no problem, but its hard on shit.

4- Truthfully, a 223 isnt worth the hassle. A 300 is a better canadate for an inline swap.

later,
dustin
 
Well I've got a 223 running order just sitting around next to a 90 4x4 ranger broke down because of dumped out v6. not only that I just don't like small v6/v8 more crap to worry about in my experience limited to owning a couple of rangers my 4 cyl 96 ranger reg cab 150,000 still running, babied the shit out of it and old old f100's my favs 58-60 4x4's love the inlines and the body style. Even when we are talking chevy the 292 i6 is my fav I guess I'm just partial to the inline single heads engines which sometimes can be a plus in it self as far as parts rebuilds. Not trying to argue the fact but from what i've seen as far as sploders and rangers 3.0 4.0 they don't last 377k maybe you have seen but not me every ranger with a 3.0,4.0 used has about 100-150k and problems with the heads. And it is of course due to maintenance but I think the lack of maintenance is because of lack of knowledge and ability to know how to work on 3.0's and 4.0's an inline is more simplistic an idiot can work on a carbureted inline 6. Not only that they run smoother like a 4 banger. I've seen a nickel balanced vertically on Chevy 292L6(like the guy says they're perfectly balanced. Just my own mystical inline cyl positioned engine, based opinion.

I'm really just looking to f around on something ,especially now that I have a new found love of the rangers and not there larger engines this new project i want to start combines new love with the old love of inline engines. I just think it would be sweet to have a carbureted inline 6 from the 50's in a 90 ranger 4x4, they are reliable in my experience and I like workin on them.

If I wanted a 300 it would have to be carbureted
I mean if you want a v8 in my opinion get a 460 I'm not arguing power with the 3.0,4.0 I'm arguing longevity.

It will be a bit$% but mind you it will be fun and make me happy.
Jason
 
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Well Not trying to argue the fact but from what i've seen as far as sploders and rangers 3.0 4.0 they don't last 377k maybe you have seen but not me every rasnger with a 3.0,4.0 used has about 100-150k and problems with the heads.

I beg to differ with this. my 91 explorer had well over 400,000 miles (documented right up to the point the odometer quit working). I bought it from the original owners son (estate sale) and he had all the maintenance records and receipts including fuel. it was on the original block, second transmission, and had head gaskets done around 350,000 miles.

the key to long life out of any engine is regular maintenance. plus he ran synthetic oil starting around 200,000 miles.

I drove it and wheeled it for 3 years with no problems till i hydrolocked the engine and sprung the frame.
 
Perfectly balanced? Smoothness is a matter of frequency--the more cylinders per revolution the smoother the engine runs. I guess having the pistons going vertical might make some difference in balancing a nickle but a V6 runs at the same frequency as an I6. At identical power ratings a 4 or 6 needs a more robust transmission because of the frequency. It's the reason the E40D was spec'd for the 300 and not the 302.


I'm in no way against your project. I just disagree on your reasoning. I I tell you I had the head rebuilt on my 1977 F100 when it was under 100,000 you'll tell me that in some way I mistreated it. If your V6 needed something before 100,000 I'll tell you that you in some way mistreated it. Our only evidence is our own extremely limited personal experience. So I say go for it. I respond to these things because I want to point out that they are not based on anything but one man's limited personal experience. If there is the slightest shred of test data that says one configuration of cylinders is superior to another then I haven't seen it. If I did see it I would immediately alter my opinion.
 
your right i've got nothing against explorer's that would become a personal battle. i don't know maybe its just an instilled religious type tradition in my family, but theres just something about a inline. i can;t tell yeah how many v6's explorer's i've seen on craigslist for 300 dollars with head trouble(double trouble) burning oil etc. of course theres no argument with that having to do with how yeah treat em, i guess all the people family and friends i know around hear and washington treat their inlines better than people treat the v's,I don't how many inline's i've seenm worked on and heard about from the old days that outlast anything else. But i don't think anyone can deny your gonna have to go through a hell of alot more hassle fixing a fuel injected v6 later down the road than you working on a inline 6 fomr the 60's which is why i want one must be my preference. I worked on v's and I've worked on inlines theres less bs. ibut there also no denying it'll be a biatch poundin'/cutting the firewall but it will be worth it.
 
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At identical power ratings a 4 or 6 needs a more robust transmission because of the frequency. It's the reason the E40D was spec'd for the 300 and not the 302.

Actually it was because the 300 made the torque to actually tear apart an AOD on a low RPM grunt with a decent sized load behind it.

But ill never convince you of that.


Inline engines are perfectly balanced more so then a V6. Its hard to explain but ill try....

On an I6, your going straight up and straight down. No side to side rocking at all.

On a V6, your coming down on an angle. Its going to be a rougher design by nature.

I cant really explain it that well.

later,
Dustin
 
Actually it was because the 300 made the torque to actually tear apart an AOD on a low RPM grunt with a decent sized load behind it.

But ill never convince you of that.


Inline engines are perfectly balanced more so then a V6. Its hard to explain but ill try....

On an I6, your going straight up and straight down. No side to side rocking at all.

On a V6, your coming down on an angle. Its going to be a rougher design by nature.

I cant really explain it that well.

later,
Dustin

Im not taking a side here but this arguement is really stupid as noone has any evidence to prove their point. Why doesn't someone get some facts?
All I know is I have 275000 k on mine and the heads are fine. (V6)
But Im not gonna fight someone about how its better or worse than an inline. to me v or inline shouldn't effect durability, and if im wrong PROVE IT!!!
 
Im not going to around digging up evidence of 4.2L Fords shitting at 100K or less. Or 300s running 400K +.

later,
Dustin
 
Well I've got a 223 running order just sitting around next to a 90 4x4 ranger broke down because of dumped out v6. not only that I just don't like small v6/v8 more crap to worry about in my experience limited to owning a couple of rangers my 4 cyl 96 ranger reg cab 150,000 still running, babied the shit out of it and old old f100's my favs 58-60 4x4's love the inlines and the body style. Even when we are talking chevy the 292 i6 is my fav I guess I'm just partial to the inline single heads engines which sometimes can be a plus in it self as far as parts rebuilds. Not trying to argue the fact but from what i've seen as far as sploders and rangers 3.0 4.0 they don't last 377k maybe you have seen but not me every ranger with a 3.0,4.0 used has about 100-150k and problems with the heads. And it is of course due to maintenance but I think the lack of maintenance is because of lack of knowledge and ability to know how to work on 3.0's and 4.0's an inline is more simplistic an idiot can work on a carbureted inline 6. Not only that they run smoother like a 4 banger. I've seen a nickel balanced vertically on Chevy 292L6(like the guy says they're perfectly balanced. Just my own mystical inline cyl positioned engine, based opinion.

I'm really just looking to f around on something ,especially now that I have a new found love of the rangers and not there larger engines this new project i want to start combines new love with the old love of inline engines. I just think it would be sweet to have a carbureted inline 6 from the 50's in a 90 ranger 4x4, they are reliable in my experience and I like workin on them.

If I wanted a 300 it would have to be carbureted
I mean if you want a v8 in my opinion get a 460 I'm not arguing power with the 3.0,4.0 I'm arguing longevity.

It will be a bit$% but mind you it will be fun and make me happy.
Jason



what more reason do you need to get it done?



personally, if i had an inline 6 fetish and needed to use one...it would be a 6bt.


i have a psd about to die at 800 k...thats twice the expected life. its a v


350 plus k road miles and never less then 250 k on most of my v8
s or sixes in the end so far:dunno:.


with a gasser inline i would likely use a jeep 4.0 or a 300 ford in a ranger.


but i am not a 6 guy, just cant stand listening to them, and i do alot of miles every year so it matters.:icon_thumby:













just do it.....:icon_cheers: get it in thar...
 
your right i've got nothing against explorer's that would become a personal battle. i don't know maybe its just an instilled religious type tradition in my family, but theres just something about a inline. i can;t tell yeah how many v6's explorer's i've seen on craigslist for 300 dollars with head trouble(double trouble) burning oil etc. of course theres no argument with that having to do with how yeah treat em, i guess all the people family and friends i know around hear and washington treat their inlines better than people treat the v's,I don't how many inline's i've seenm worked on and heard about from the old days that outlast anything else. But i don't think anyone can deny your gonna have to go through a hell of alot more hassle fixing a fuel injected v6 later down the road than you working on a inline 6 fomr the 60's which is why i want one must be my preference. I worked on v's and I've worked on inlines theres less bs. ibut there also no denying it'll be a biatch poundin'/cutting the firewall but it will be worth it.


nothing from the sixties will outrun a 4.0 in life treated the same. 70 k was big miles for anything in the sixties and theres good reasons for that.


i am not impressed with a 4.0 unless it has over 300 k on it, that tells me it was properly maintianed.


just get your inline in there and humming
 
Perfectly balanced? Smoothness is a matter of frequency--the more cylinders per revolution the smoother the engine runs. I guess having the pistons going vertical might make some difference in balancing a nickle but a V6 runs at the same frequency as an I6. At identical power ratings a 4 or 6 needs a more robust transmission because of the frequency. It's the reason the E40D was spec'd for the 300 and not the 302.


I'm in no way against your project. I just disagree on your reasoning. I I tell you I had the head rebuilt on my 1977 F100 when it was under 100,000 you'll tell me that in some way I mistreated it. If your V6 needed something before 100,000 I'll tell you that you in some way mistreated it. Our only evidence is our own extremely limited personal experience. So I say go for it. I respond to these things because I want to point out that they are not based on anything but one man's limited personal experience. If there is the slightest shred of test data that says one configuration of cylinders is superior to another then I haven't seen it. If I did see it I would immediately alter my opinion.



the 302 comes with the e4od as well, and the 300 had plenty of aod's behind em too.
 
Im not going to around digging up evidence of 4.2L Fords shitting at 100K or less. Or 300s running 400K +.

later,
Dustin

Due to a faulty intake gasket design, 95% of the problems with the 4.2 can be directly traced back to that. Keep on top of that and they are a good engine.

Cutting the 6 cylinder was a good thing, now if you want V-8 milage at least you get V-8 power as well.

Perfectly balanced? Smoothness is a matter of frequency--the more cylinders per revolution the smoother the engine runs. I guess having the pistons going vertical might make some difference in balancing a nickle but a V6 runs at the same frequency as an I6. At identical power ratings a 4 or 6 needs a more robust transmission because of the frequency. It's the reason the E40D was spec'd for the 300 and not the 302.

This is really evident in tractors, the ol' John Deere 2 bangers under a heavy load would rip out gearboxes on shredders and grain augers, they would get to pulling down and just hammer away and jar things until it something broke. The four cylinder Farmalls, M-M's, Cases and A-C's were much better about it, and the 6 cylinder Olivers were almost as smooth as an electric engine by comparison. Aside from much larger tractors 8's were unheard of, and even then they usually a V-8.

I thought most 4.9's and 5.0's got the AOD/E and the M50D in half ton's. Neither were really common in anything heavier, 300's were way back, but fell out of favor later on.

Kinda funny everyone is worried about getting half a million miles out of an engine in a vehicle that will be lucky to hit half that before before it is junked because of something else anyway.

My parents have a '94 Ex with 180k on it. The thing runs and drives like a top, but cancer is really starting to kick in now, it would run a lot longer than I would drive it... it ain't just the easy stuff to fix like fenders, it is also the hairy stuff like the doorjams. Hard to pencil out for a rig with that high of miles to fix.


And I do like the sound of the big 6's, that Chevy truck in Hatari! with John Wayne sounds so cool bellering across the African desert.
 
Due to a faulty intake gasket design, 95% of the problems with the 4.2 can be directly traced back to that. Keep on top of that and they are a good engine.

Cutting the 6 cylinder was a good thing, now if you want V-8 milage at least you get V-8 power as well.



This is really evident in tractors, the ol' John Deere 2 bangers under a heavy load would rip out gearboxes on shredders and grain augers, they would get to pulling down and just hammer away and jar things until it something broke. The four cylinder Farmalls, M-M's, Cases and A-C's were much better about it, and the 6 cylinder Olivers were almost as smooth as an electric engine by comparison. Aside from much larger tractors 8's were unheard of, and even then they usually a V-8.

I thought most 4.9's and 5.0's got the AOD/E and the M50D in half ton's. Neither were really common in anything heavier, 300's were way back, but fell out of favor later on.

Kinda funny everyone is worried about getting half a million miles out of an engine in a vehicle that will be lucky to hit half that before before it is junked because of something else anyway.

My parents have a '94 Ex with 180k on it. The thing runs and drives like a top, but cancer is really starting to kick in now, it would run a lot longer than I would drive it... it ain't just the easy stuff to fix like fenders, it is also the hairy stuff like the doorjams. Hard to pencil out for a rig with that high of miles to fix.


And I do like the sound of the big 6's, that Chevy truck in Hatari! with John Wayne sounds so cool bellering across the African desert.


there are some places that don't have body cancer.
 

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