Tractors

[racsan]

I remember when a 3/4 ton was a 8600 rating. One thing though, the brakes sure are better on a 3/4 vs a 1/2 ton, at least in the ‘90’s anyways.

 

[rusty ol ranger]

I think the only difference between the F250/F350 is the springs, at least that was the case in the 80's and early 90's I think....but an F250 would definitely be more than what I'd need. Your F150 was definitely overloaded with that I6 LOL....they were only rated at what like 7-8k back then. I know my 88 F250 was rated for like 12k or 14k with the 460, couple thousand pounds more than the same truck with the 7.3L Diesel.

Yeah it was for sure over...i think it was rated for 7600 lol. That old 300 chugged it right down the road at 55-60 though.

The 250/350s from 87-97 were 10k bumper, 12,500 5thwheel, and around 4100lbs rated payload. With a 460. The 7.3 IDIs were rated lower, PSD the same

 

[rusty ol ranger]

I remember when a 3/4 ton was a 8600 rating. One thing though, the brakes sure are better on a 3/4 vs a 1/2 ton, at least in the ‘90’s anyways.

Now they are 9-10k GVW and are rated for about the same payload.

 

[wildbill23c]

Yeah it was for sure over...i think it was rated for 7600 lol. That old 300 chugged it right down the road at 55-60 though.

The 250/350s from 87-97 were 10k bumper, 12,500 5thwheel, and around 4100lbs rated payload. With a 460. The 7.3 IDIs were rated lower, PSD the same

Even at 10k that's a much better rating than my Explorer LOL...and much better stopping power too. Been thinking of an F250, something along the early to mid 90's...probably with the 460. Not concerned about fuel economy, more concerned with the stability and the stopability LOL.

I think the old 300 I6 engines were great they had a lot of low end grunt from my understanding...wish it were still an optional engine. I think the 300 I6 could be had in the 3/4 and 1 ton and even larger trucks back then too.

 

[RumPunch]

My old boss had a bullnose F350 dump truck with an I6 and a PTO pump manual trans. (12-15 years ago) would love to find another one.

 

[lil_Blue_Ford]

So it is apparently a Ferguson. Nobody could tell me the year though, the guy that owned it said his dad or grandpa bought it new sometime after WW2. Left rear tire is half flat but the rest hold air. I was told it doesn’t run but it will run, fuel tank is in the truck. Said the tank needs cleaned and it was converted to 12 volt, but he claimed it ran better as a 6-volt. I’m inclined to think it might have more to do with the hack job wiring, so we’ll see where it ends up. Seems to be in pretty decent shape. The brush hog and back blade are not in decent shape though. Both will probably need a good bit of repair, and why the tractor is perched on the edge

 

[rusty ol ranger]

Even at 10k that's a much better rating than my Explorer LOL...and much better stopping power too. Been thinking of an F250, something along the early to mid 90's...probably with the 460. Not concerned about fuel economy, more concerned with the stability and the stopability LOL.

I think the old 300 I6 engines were great they had a lot of low end grunt from my understanding...wish it were still an optional engine. I think the 300 I6 could be had in the 3/4 and 1 ton and even larger trucks back then too.

The 300 was a very stout engine. My dad had a 94 F250 with a 300, auto and 3.55's and towed a 4 horse gooseneck with 4 horses anywhere he wanted to go.

But yes...the 90's 3/4 tons are very capable of moving exteremly heavy shit and you wont regret the 460

 

[lil_Blue_Ford]

So… based on my research so far I have a 1950 Ferguson TO-20 with a Continental Z120 4-cyl engine…

 

[G8orFord]

@wildbill23c and @rusty ol ranger I know you guys are talking about 20 to 30 year old trucks and I get that, but I can tell you that there is currently NO gasoline engine offered in any of the big three brands that can even come close to the towing capability of the diesels offered by those same brands. This has been the case since the mid to late 90's. Y'all are talking about towing 10k. My 6.7 F250 with 3.55 gears pulls right at 20k like it's almost not even there. That's trailer, Kubota 97-s, mulching head, bucket and grapple. A '92 F250 with a 460 might pull it, but it wouldn't like it. I really do not understand why some people are so dead set against diesels. I have a few friends that are the same way. I'll give you higher maintenance costs, but everything else is just better when you're talking about actually working the truck.

 

[lil_Blue_Ford]

Well, I rolled it off the trailer today. First time I sat in the seat, which needs repair, lol. But I like it. Gave it a better exam and I’m kinda impressed with it. Hopefully it doesn’t take much to get going, need to get the green Ranger done first, but I’m excited. Left front tire was down today too and the rear was down more, but they leak kinda slow because I put some air to them and they held long past me getting it off the trailer so there’s that.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

@wildbill23c and @rusty ol ranger I know you guys are talking about 20 to 30 year old trucks and I get that, but I can tell you that there is currently NO gasoline engine offered in any of the big three brands that can even come close to the towing capability of the diesels offered by those same brands. This has been the case since the mid to late 90's. Y'all are talking about towing 10k. My 6.7 F250 with 3.55 gears pulls right at 20k like it's almost not even there. That's trailer, Kubota 97-s, mulching head, bucket and grapple. A '92 F250 with a 460 might pull it, but it wouldn't like it. I really do not understand why some people are so dead set against diesels. I have a few friends that are the same way. I'll give you higher maintenance costs, but everything else is just better when you're talking about actually working the truck.

Because for the price difference between my gas F-150 and a comparable F-250 with a diesel I could buy a nice 100hp tractor with a decent road gear and a climate controlled cab that wouldn't need hauled...

 

[sgtsandman]

@wildbill23c and @rusty ol ranger I know you guys are talking about 20 to 30 year old trucks and I get that, but I can tell you that there is currently NO gasoline engine offered in any of the big three brands that can even come close to the towing capability of the diesels offered by those same brands. This has been the case since the mid to late 90's. Y'all are talking about towing 10k. My 6.7 F250 with 3.55 gears pulls right at 20k like it's almost not even there. That's trailer, Kubota 97-s, mulching head, bucket and grapple. A '92 F250 with a 460 might pull it, but it wouldn't like it. I really do not understand why some people are so dead set against diesels. I have a few friends that are the same way. I'll give you higher maintenance costs, but everything else is just better when you're talking about actually working the truck.

If you have the need to use that engine’s capabilities on a regular basis, more power to you.

Most don’t and the premium price of the diesel engine is just too much for many to chew or justify. Many people don’t like making mortgage sized payments on a vehicle that might only see tow weights like that maybe once or twice a year.

 

[rusty ol ranger]

@wildbill23c and @rusty ol ranger I know you guys are talking about 20 to 30 year old trucks and I get that, but I can tell you that there is currently NO gasoline engine offered in any of the big three brands that can even come close to the towing capability of the diesels offered by those same brands. This has been the case since the mid to late 90's. Y'all are talking about towing 10k. My 6.7 F250 with 3.55 gears pulls right at 20k like it's almost not even there. That's trailer, Kubota 97-s, mulching head, bucket and grapple. A '92 F250 with a 460 might pull it, but it wouldn't like it. I really do not understand why some people are so dead set against diesels. I have a few friends that are the same way. I'll give you higher maintenance costs, but everything else is just better when you're talking about actually working the truck.

A 97 460 makes 410ftlb@2200rpm and a 97 PSD makes 415@2000. The 460 has 245hp@4100 and the diesel like 215@3500rpm (IIRC).

Unless youre at alititude the 460 is gonna yank just like the PSD and anniliate it in an empty 1/4 mi run. Plus you can rebuild a 460 for the cost of injectors on a PSD.

Once you get into the newer diesels yes the power is far and away better, but then you have DPF/DEF shit to deal with and we all know how great the 6.0 was.

Not to mention my fairly nice 460 truck blue books at around 7k. If it was a 7.3 good luck touching one for under 10 unless you want a rotted out turd beat by some kid with 300k on it.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

I like the tractors

I guess I do too.

I had better, I have five of them...

 

[Shran]

Unless you are using a diesel to its full potential most or all of the time, it is not cost effective to own one vs a gasser. Initial cost, maintenance, repairs, fuel - all substantially higher. So you either NEED it and can justify the cost... or you WANT it... but that will never justify it.

I would much rather put up with my V10 super duty that costs me almost nothing than go broke feeding a diesel but that's just me.