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[85_Ranger4x4]

Where has their use been banned?

London has a thing going based on how clean your car is.

The Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ) for London

The ULEZ was expanded across all London boroughs on 29 August 2023.

www.london.gov.uk

I know they have toyed with bans for short periods and are wanting to make them permanent but so far I guess they haven't gotten them to stick.

Paris has banned diesel cars and is wanting to ban all cars in two years.

Paris Looking To Ban Vehicles From The City Center By 2024

Paris is planning to ban private vehicles in the city center by 2024 to reduce congestion and improve air quality in the French capital.

www.travelawaits.com

 

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[sgtsandman]

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That's going to cause some overhead obstruction clearance issues.

 

[Blmpkn]

Can you give an example that applies to the topic at hand?

Well.. by '35 it'll be illegal for someone to sell you a new gas vehicle.. if that isnt a ban idk what would be.

 

[fastpakr]

That's well worn territory in the discussion. The topic at this point is banning existing technology from the roads.

 

[sgtsandman]

With the vehicle makers stopping the production of most, it not all ICE vehicles, and the in state legislation/regulation, it would be a ban of sorts. More of one by attrition than a direct ban. This is assuming they don't do anything with the parts and fuel supply.

I don't like the idea personally but it seems that is the direction certain entities want to head. Like it or not, I do want to understand the nuances of the whole thing since it will eventually effect me.

 

[sgtsandman]

I would entertain an hybrid over a straight EV myself. There is just too many things I do that I don't think an EV is a good fit for me. Not unless the EV was to be the DD and the ICE the toy. But my requirements are not everyone's requirements.

 

[Blmpkn]

There's no way Cali ISNT going to start the banning of gas ICE use within our lifetimes.

If I could charge the thing in a reasonable amount of time using solar, I'd be interested in an EV for a commuter. That adds a lot of up front cost to an already costly vehicle though.. so a hybrid would probably be for me.

Truck stuff and toys need to be ice though.

 

[fastpakr]

There's no way Cali ISNT going to start the banning of gas ICE use within our lifetimes.

If I could charge the thing in a reasonable amount of time using solar, I'd be interested in an EV for a commuter. That adds a lot of up front cost to an already costly vehicle though.. so a hybrid would probably be for me.

Truck stuff and toys need to be ice though.

You keep saying that as some guaranteed fact, but you've cited no evidence for it whatsoever.

What we do have as evidence is a history going back many decades of doing the exact opposite. Technology has gone away as it has aged out of common use. Ron referred to this as well. You can continue using old equipment, but a day comes when it's simply inconvenient and it becomes a classic that turns heads rather than a thing of practicality.

 

[RonD]

There are ideas of using inductive charging loops embedded in roadways to charge EVs wirelessly while driving
Very expensive to install and needs electricity to work

But I like a cheaper idea
An electric motor or generator uses electromagnets to spin the rotor(motor) or uses the spinning rotor(inertia) to generate electricity
If you lay this type of generator out flat and use the moving vehicle as the inertia the magnets in the roadway would generate a charge in the vehicle as it moved thru changing magnetic fields

We see similar in VR(variable reluctance) sensors used as crank and cam sensors in our engines
VR sensor requires no power, the spinning tone wheel's metal "teeth" impart a voltage to the sensor, 0.5 to 8vAC, ain't much but ain't 0 either, lol, small scale

Vehicle is the "VR" sensor(magnet), the roadway is the tone wheel, layed out flat
Roads always need to be repaved, so mixing in proper materials would be cheap, no electricity required
Could extend range quite a bit

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

You keep saying that as some guaranteed fact, but you've cited no evidence for it whatsoever.

What we do have as evidence is a history going back many decades of doing the exact opposite. Technology has gone away as it has aged out of common use. Ron referred to this as well. You can continue using old equipment, but a day comes when it's simply inconvenient and it becomes a classic that turns heads rather than a thing of practicality.

In how many decades was the sale of new "old technology" outright banned to force people to jump to new and thus far expensive and under-performing technology with a make believe infrastructure to support it?

There is no precedent here. They never had to ban the sale of new horses or steam engines to get people to "upgrade"

 

[alwaysFlOoReD]

And for ice, there are alternatives To gasoline and diesel. The ability to transport hydrogen in an easy way is being worked on. There is a way to transport hydrogen as a solid. If splitting water can be made economical then ICE will rule. I'll see if I can find the link for the hydrogen article.

 

[Roert42]

Had commercial grade vehicles been included in this?

seems that previously they were exempt, then when their emissions were limited they were not as extensive as passenger vehicles.

I would what the stance is on LPG. Up to this point California seemed to be promoting LPG as a good alternative to Gasoline and diesel.

 

[fastpakr]

Had commercial grade vehicles been included in this?

seems that previously they were exempt, then when their emissions were limited they were not as extensive as passenger vehicles.

I would what the stance is on LPG. Up to this point California seemed to be promoting LPG as a good alternative to Gasoline and diesel.

This is just for passenger cars.

 

[sgtsandman]

And for ice, there are alternatives To gasoline and diesel. The ability to transport hydrogen in an easy way is being worked on. There is a way to transport hydrogen as a solid. If splitting water can be made economical then ICE will rule. I'll see if I can find the link for the hydrogen article.

In my mind, hydrogen power of some kind would be ideal. At least on paper, the only things exhausted are water vapor and heat. I don't think the engines or the fuel cells are the problem, it's the fuel, containing it, and the distribution system. When it comes to hydrogen, my understanding that the most efficient use of it is in a prohibitively expensive fuel cell, generating electricity to provide power for the electric motors. ICE can be made to run on it but is not the most efficient way to derive the power potential from the hydrogen.