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So much car debt!!!!!


How much would the average individual be paying on maintenance on a older vehicle, versus the no maintenance on a new vehicle.
That's the thing. I was keeping my old Sport Trac running as long as I could since it was paid for but last March it blew a head gasket. The previous two state inspections cost a combined $5000 with expensive stuff breaking or wearing out. If I drop +/- $3k on head gaskets (engine has to come out) or a new engine then I'll have $8k in a 13 year old vehicle with over 200k on it. I would have had to put that on plastic and to pay it off in a year would cost about the same as a new truck payment and more stuff will be waiting around the corner to break. Was at the point of throwing good money after bad. Upside, the Ranger is much better on gas and I'm spending about $100 less a month on fuel so that partly offsets having a payment.
 
In densely populated areas, multi-unit housing is far preferable to SFHs. It creates more housing in the same amount of land area. This increases housing supply and helps to keep real estate costs down for everybody. A lack of affordable housing is a huge reason why CA cities have so many issues with crime, homelessness, and "smelling like peepee."
It didn't work lol. There's plenty of supply, housing is not affordable, and nobody wants to live in those condos. That last part is true.
 
no. Don't agree.


makes for vertical trailer parks.


condensing LCD.....is condensing LCD....is condensing LCD.


.the reason for the homelessness there is because it pays to be homeless and do nothing but leach off society....and that is for the vast majority....

not all ...but damn near


there is not a lack of affordable housing...there is an increase of people that want something for nothing.

and getting the entitlements resulting from the theft of those that prefer to be in society of old.


because you will go where you can live as a productive person...


see over run southern border

Being more tolerant of the homeless population than other cities or regions could certainly encourage some homeless migration. So could more moderate weather. But housing affordability (costs relative to incomes) is a pretty big deal too.

Housing costs depend on a few things, but supply/demand is probably the biggest part of a fairly complex puzzle. High prices come from more demand than supply. Everybody competing for a limited number of houses in a limited amount of space leads to massive price increases. If you put everybody into SFHs, then you get sprawl. Sprawl means you need more infrastructure, and you get fewer tax payers per acre/sq mile to support that infrastructure. So the result is shitty roads, less school funding, less policing, etc. It also means that people have to have a car to get around instead of public transit or walking. That transportation costs money from the individual, so you get into a dynamic where you can only afford to live way outside of the city, but (a potentially large) part of those savings are eaten up by transportation costs. This goes on long enough, and you get entire regions that are unaffordable for lower income people.
SFH owners in these locations aren't likely to want more dense housing options because it hurts the value of their property. At least until they want to sell, and a developer offers them over market.

A healthy city needs workers of all income levels to function. (For the time being) you need people to serve food, clean hotel rooms, staff daycares, etc. Those people have to live somewhere, and in most of these big cities that can be difficult. Example:

SF had median per capita income of $68k, and median household income of $112k for 2019. They had a 10% poverty rate.
The median home value was $1.1million (9.8 times the median household income). Median rent is $1895/mo (33% of median per capita income and 20% of median household income). So home ownership is super expensive and likely out of reach for most, but renting doesn't seem too bad. Their homeless rate per capita is 397 per 100k residents.

LA had median per capita income of $34k. Median household income of $68k. 13% poverty rate. Median home price of $583k (8.5 times median household income). Median rent is $1460/mo (50% of median monthly income per capita and 26% of median household income). So home ownership is out of reach for most and rent chews up a large part of what is relatively low income. Their homeless rate per capita is 400 per 100k residents.

Detroit (Wayne County,MI) had a median per capita income of $27k. Median household income of $47k. And a 20% poverty rate.
The median home price is $113k (2.4 times median household income). Median rent is $875/mo (39% of monthly per capita income and 22% of median household income). Homes are much more affordable. Rent is about on par with SF as far as % of take home pay though. Can't find the rate of homelessness specifically for Wayne County, but Michigan as a whole is about 80 per every 100k residents.

So, when I look at that data I see that the CA cities have far more expensive housing. But SF has high enough incomes that lots of people can at least afford rent, while LA does not. The rate of poverty in these 3 locations actually increases as you get cheaper, but homelessness moves with rent/income ratio and price of buying a home. Like I said earlier, there are a bunch of factors that play into it, but I don't think it's a coincidence that the place with the highest poverty rate has the lowest homeless rate. I think that's primarily driven by the fact that people at or near the poverty line can still afford a roof over their heads. Michigan is in a sweet spot of being cheaper to buy and still having a decent rent/income ratio, so homelessness is much lower.
 
homelessness is less in michigan also because there is a high chance on dying in the winter versus california. we have tons of homeless people where i live because you can live outdoors year round and really only have about three weeks of very very cold weather. tons of homeless come here because they can live near the water and get fish and they won't freeze
 
homelessness is less in michigan also because there is a high chance on dying in the winter versus california. we have tons of homeless people where i live because you can live outdoors year round and really only have about three weeks of very very cold weather. tons of homeless come here because they can live near the water and get fish and they won't freeze

Homelessness is high in Hawaii too.

Of course if things go south you are kinda stuck there, can't really hitch a ride or jump a train somewhere else.
 
the Homeless in Tallahassee have "sectors". Usually near high volume traffic lights. Near the Interstate Ramps, or behind/near Wal-Mart. They will work in teams at lights, one works the traffic, while the other "rests". Except in Killearn ( the fancy side of town ). Absolutely no panhandlers there. Which is funny because those are the people that enable them. They give them money/food when they come out of the store, but would have a shit fit if that same person was sitting outside of the Wal-Mart on their side of town. Often times I will see a group of cop cars near a small patch of woods, that the homeless have turned into a "tent City". Forcing them to move on with nowhere to go, they do eventually come back. Wash, rinse, repeat.
 
Being more tolerant of the homeless population than other cities or regions could certainly encourage some homeless migration. So could more moderate weather. But housing affordability (costs relative to incomes) is a pretty big deal too.

Housing costs depend on a few things, but supply/demand is probably the biggest part of a fairly complex puzzle. High prices come from more demand than supply. Everybody competing for a limited number of houses in a limited amount of space leads to massive price increases. If you put everybody into SFHs, then you get sprawl. Sprawl means you need more infrastructure, and you get fewer tax payers per acre/sq mile to support that infrastructure. So the result is shitty roads, less school funding, less policing, etc. It also means that people have to have a car to get around instead of public transit or walking. That transportation costs money from the individual, so you get into a dynamic where you can only afford to live way outside of the city, but (a potentially large) part of those savings are eaten up by transportation costs. This goes on long enough, and you get entire regions that are unaffordable for lower income people.
SFH owners in these locations aren't likely to want more dense housing options because it hurts the value of their property. At least until they want to sell, and a developer offers them over market.

A healthy city needs workers of all income levels to function. (For the time being) you need people to serve food, clean hotel rooms, staff daycares, etc. Those people have to live somewhere, and in most of these big cities that can be difficult. Example:

SF had median per capita income of $68k, and median household income of $112k for 2019. They had a 10% poverty rate.
The median home value was $1.1million (9.8 times the median household income). Median rent is $1895/mo (33% of median per capita income and 20% of median household income). So home ownership is super expensive and likely out of reach for most, but renting doesn't seem too bad. Their homeless rate per capita is 397 per 100k residents.

LA had median per capita income of $34k. Median household income of $68k. 13% poverty rate. Median home price of $583k (8.5 times median household income). Median rent is $1460/mo (50% of median monthly income per capita and 26% of median household income). So home ownership is out of reach for most and rent chews up a large part of what is relatively low income. Their homeless rate per capita is 400 per 100k residents.

Detroit (Wayne County,MI) had a median per capita income of $27k. Median household income of $47k. And a 20% poverty rate.
The median home price is $113k (2.4 times median household income). Median rent is $875/mo (39% of monthly per capita income and 22% of median household income). Homes are much more affordable. Rent is about on par with SF as far as % of take home pay though. Can't find the rate of homelessness specifically for Wayne County, but Michigan as a whole is about 80 per every 100k residents.

So, when I look at that data I see that the CA cities have far more expensive housing. But SF has high enough incomes that lots of people can at least afford rent, while LA does not. The rate of poverty in these 3 locations actually increases as you get cheaper, but homelessness moves with rent/income ratio and price of buying a home. Like I said earlier, there are a bunch of factors that play into it, but I don't think it's a coincidence that the place with the highest poverty rate has the lowest homeless rate. I think that's primarily driven by the fact that people at or near the poverty line can still afford a roof over their heads. Michigan is in a sweet spot of being cheaper to buy and still having a decent rent/income ratio, so homelessness is much lower.



I understand all of that.

Sprawl don't mean shit to me. There is not enough work to support high density housing..without distance travel..in places like Detroit or most places really. The coasts are a different story. California has some great offsets....ships and trade...

Spreading the load out on infrastructure is easier on infrastructure as well...not just costlier....and maintenance and repair are less of a worry in execution controlling losses... And in emergency situations it's a godsend.

If you can not afford a house in the area you want to live....

You Find a place you can. That is all there is to it.


I do not like wandering the world away from my family....but my poor choices put me in a position that I have to do what I do.

Me....myself....responsible for me and mine.....I help others when I can and pray that it reciprocates.
 
Being more tolerant of the homeless population than other cities or regions could certainly encourage some homeless migration. So could more moderate weather. But housing affordability (costs relative to incomes) is a pretty big deal too.

Housing costs depend on a few things, but supply/demand is probably the biggest part of a fairly complex puzzle. High prices come from more demand than supply. Everybody competing for a limited number of houses in a limited amount of space leads to massive price increases. If you put everybody into SFHs, then you get sprawl. Sprawl means you need more infrastructure, and you get fewer tax payers per acre/sq mile to support that infrastructure. So the result is shitty roads, less school funding, less policing, etc. It also means that people have to have a car to get around instead of public transit or walking. That transportation costs money from the individual, so you get into a dynamic where you can only afford to live way outside of the city, but (a potentially large) part of those savings are eaten up by transportation costs. This goes on long enough, and you get entire regions that are unaffordable for lower income people.
SFH owners in these locations aren't likely to want more dense housing options because it hurts the value of their property. At least until they want to sell, and a developer offers them over market.

A healthy city needs workers of all income levels to function. (For the time being) you need people to serve food, clean hotel rooms, staff daycares, etc. Those people have to live somewhere, and in most of these big cities that can be difficult. Example:

SF had median per capita income of $68k, and median household income of $112k for 2019. They had a 10% poverty rate.
The median home value was $1.1million (9.8 times the median household income). Median rent is $1895/mo (33% of median per capita income and 20% of median household income). So home ownership is super expensive and likely out of reach for most, but renting doesn't seem too bad. Their homeless rate per capita is 397 per 100k residents.

LA had median per capita income of $34k. Median household income of $68k. 13% poverty rate. Median home price of $583k (8.5 times median household income). Median rent is $1460/mo (50% of median monthly income per capita and 26% of median household income). So home ownership is out of reach for most and rent chews up a large part of what is relatively low income. Their homeless rate per capita is 400 per 100k residents.

Detroit (Wayne County,MI) had a median per capita income of $27k. Median household income of $47k. And a 20% poverty rate.
The median home price is $113k (2.4 times median household income). Median rent is $875/mo (39% of monthly per capita income and 22% of median household income). Homes are much more affordable. Rent is about on par with SF as far as % of take home pay though. Can't find the rate of homelessness specifically for Wayne County, but Michigan as a whole is about 80 per every 100k residents.

So, when I look at that data I see that the CA cities have far more expensive housing. But SF has high enough incomes that lots of people can at least afford rent, while LA does not. The rate of poverty in these 3 locations actually increases as you get cheaper, but homelessness moves with rent/income ratio and price of buying a home. Like I said earlier, there are a bunch of factors that play into it, but I don't think it's a coincidence that the place with the highest poverty rate has the lowest homeless rate. I think that's primarily driven by the fact that people at or near the poverty line can still afford a roof over their heads. Michigan is in a sweet spot of being cheaper to buy and still having a decent rent/income ratio, so homelessness is much lower.
It's still a sprawl...just condos...anything affordable is 50 miles out of LA in the Antelope Valley, but then it's about 1-4 hours commute each way, depending on traffic. I don't think non Californians realize how messed up it is out here. Don't even get me started on roads. I don't know how regular cars survive the roads, and why caltrans does construction during rush hour(s)
 
LA had median per capita income of $34k. Median household income of $68k. 13% poverty rate. Median home price of $583k (8.5 times median household income). Median rent is $1460/mo (50% of median monthly income per capita and 26% of median household income). So home ownership is out of reach for most and rent chews up a large part of what is relatively low income. Their homeless rate per capita is 400 per 100k residents.

If you watch Jay Leno's Garage on YouTube you will see on his test drives he often goes down a street or two with a lot of RV's parked along the curb. Those are people's homes, they live in them full-time.
 
If you can not afford a house in the area you want to live....

You Find a place you can. That is all there is to it.

Bingo. As a young man I bought a pretty nice house, good bones but needed work, when I was 27. Still live there. At that time the steel industry which had employed thousands of people evaporated overnight, so 1) houses were cheap and 2) I did what I could which was work in the city of Pittsburgh where wages were better, lived in a neighboring county that was cheaper, and got a car that was good on gas, '85 Mustang 4-banger/stick, to this day the most trouble-free car I've ever owned.
House would be paid for by now too except first wife left and stole my kids, moved to another state, and I had to buy her out.
 
i had an 88 mustang 4 banger five speed. i agree, great car


we have those areas where the homeless work in teams at the overpasses and stuff, too. and the tent cities the city cleans out once a year. they finally figured out that if they cut all the brush down regularly, the homeless go elsewhere so they have been cutting everything twice a year now. its nice. the only negative is now the homeless just break into houses that are empty and end up catching them on fire after a few months. when the winter came on, 8 or 9 empty houses magically caught fire around flour bluff.
 
If you watch Jay Leno's Garage on YouTube you will see on his test drives he often goes down a street or two with a lot of RV's parked along the curb. Those are people's homes, they live in them full-time.
He drives through my canyon road alot. Seen him at a few gas stations, bobs big boy car meets etc....Hes a nice guy, always cool and friendly with everyone. Those RV camps are everywhere, and yes they are those people homes.
 
we have those areas where the homeless work in teams at the overpasses and stuff, too. and the tent cities the city cleans out once a year. they finally figured out that if they cut all the brush down regularly, the homeless go elsewhere so they have been cutting everything twice a year now. its nice. the only negative is now the homeless just break into houses that are empty and end up catching them on fire after a few months. when the winter came on, 8 or 9 empty houses magically caught fire around flour bluff.
It sounds like were in the same City.
 
probably very similar since you are a gulf coast town, also, right?
 
probably very similar since you are a gulf coast town, also, right?
Not right on the "coast" but yes. Coastal adjacent lol. I live in , what Florida calls "The Big Bend"
 

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