Underdrive pulleys


Based the technical knowledge you have shown, I can see why you are speaking for yourself, but don't judge all Ford techs by your experience as a Ford tech!:headbang:

The one by me you can judge that way. Havent and wont go back since they screwed me last visit.
 
Again, you have picked up a BUZZ WORD (Manguson Moss Warranty Act)you know nothing about!



The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act was intended and is intended to protect the consumer, the person who bought the vehicle, from the manufacture dictating to them, the consumer, that they MUST use the manufactures oils, filters, belts, tires, etc, the list goes on.

Now, a manufacture can FORCE you to use only their parts BUT if they do they, the manufacture, must supply it to you free of charge and free of any labor cost. That is the very short version of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.

The “Act” will NOT protect you if you install “performance enhancing” parts, such as a supercharger, nitrous oxide, suspension kits, etc. The reason is when you install those kinds of parts you are in fact “altering” the original design of the vehicle and frankly I would stand side by side with any manufacture in any court and take their side.

No one has a right to alter the vehicles original design AND then expect the manufacture to warranty items rendered defective because of said parts. For example if you install a supercharger and blow your motor, transmission or rear-end tough luck that’s your fault and NOT the manufactures.

With that said, the above example would ONLY render your power train warranty invalided but none of the rest of the warranty. People look at the warranty as a complete package and it is NOT, it has many entities to it such as electrical, suspension etc. While one may be rendered invalid the rest is not.

Personally I hope no manufacture would ever have to pay for repairs to someone’s vehicle that puts on a cold air intake and then blows the motor because of a lean condition. If the manufacture was ever forced to do those then guess what? We all pay for the dummies who know nothing about properly tuning a vehicle. Trust me the manufacture will indeed pass that cost along to everyone in the form of higher vehicle prices.

The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act is ONLY FOR aftermarket parts that MEET the manufactures specifications. If you use the wrong motor oil that does not meet Ford’s specifications guess what? You out of luck because you just voided your warranty for failure to use the PROPER specified parts.

The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act is NOT and has NEVER been for aftermarket PERFORMANCE INHANCING parts.

FORD CLEARLY STATES THE FOLLOWING:

From the Ford Cars and Light Trucks 2006 Model Year Warranty Guide (June 2005, Fourth Printing) page 8:

Not covered by the warranty:

”Damage Caused by Alteration or Modification
* alterations or modifications of the vehicle, including the body, chassis, or components, after the vehicle leaves the control of Form Motor Company.

That right their my friends should put everybody’s mind to rest because ANY alterations or modifications will void that part of the warranty. Cold air intake, tunes, programs then kiss the power train, transmission and rear-end warranty bye-bye. Lowering kits, kiss the suspension, possibly the transmission and rear-end warranty bye-bye etc…


HI!... Well it protected a ton of people on the F-150 boards that took dealerships to court due to the dealership voiding their warranty due to after market parts that were installed. By the way, they won..........:thefinger: Their whole case was based on the MAGNUSON MOSS ACT.
 
Based the technical knowledge you have shown, I can see why you are speaking for yourself, but don't judge all Ford techs by your experience as a Ford tech!:headbang:

HI!... Actually I was one of the 3 good techs there, until I left. I saw so much crap go down it wasn't even funny.

As for your technical prowess, I don't see much. You just like to copy and paste what others say, to make you feel smart.
 
HI!... Have you ever been down a dragstrip? By the sound of your post not very many. I've been down probably around 3500 times so far in my life, + not to mention all the street racing I've done years back. If you need to re-learn how to drive your vehicle after only some minor bolt-ons then there's something definitely wrong. Ya, you go from a leaf spring suspension set-up to a tubbed 4-link set up, then ya for a few runs you got to get used to how the vehicle launches and tracs down the track. That's not the case here.

The truck went 16.10E.T completely bone stock in 68 degree weather. The 3 mods that I have mentioned were added and then it went 14.67E.T in 90 degree weather. If anything due to the heat the truck should of went slower. Traction was the same at a 2.0 60FT. on both runs. Traction was not a issue.

IF you make an improvement the shift points change if you don't adjust accordingly...

And I absolutely do not buy that with a couple of cheap bolts on
you shaved ~1.5seconds.

Mods like that are worth no more than 10% of that much.

I've been down the strip and no not very much.
the last time I went to a strip was at Englishtown
and I ran a 13.2@123mph.

No it wasn't a Ranger.
it was 1000lb lighter and had more than twice the power.

the ET's would have been far better but I had massive
wheelspin issues due to the fact that the car was really
set up for road racing
If I didn't intentionally pedal it into spinning the tires
it would bog... that was the downside to the aluminum
flywheel I was running.

What was it? a 1968 Dodge Dart GTS. the engine?
a '69 340 with W2 heads, solid lifter cam and custom
adjustable rockers. (the stock adjustable rockers are
the wrong shape to meet where the W2's relocated pushrods go)
The trans? a Close ratio "J" code A833 four speed.
The motor was making on the sunny side of 390hp..
in a 2820lb car

Betcha you didn't think I was an old mopar guy...

FWIW I think the last good Dodge was made sometime in 1972


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HI!... Well you agree or not I really don't care. I gave my data, believe it or not. That's what happened with the 3 mods. There is member on another board that is copying my set-up currently. He is getting the same results. Shoot my F-150 dropped 6.8 tenths with just a chip programmed by MIKE TROYER at TROYER PERFORMANCE. Went from a 16.01E.T to a 15.33E.T, on the same day at the same track.

I've done all I can do here. I just came into this thread so newbs wouldn't think that the basic bolt-ons don't actually work like some here say. They do work, don't be afraid to buy and try them.

Since the 14.67E.T run I have now added 4.10 gears and a X-CAL2 programmed by MIKE TROYER. N/A times have dropped to 14.42E.T but the A/F's are way rich. 12-12.4 1st through 3rd gear and 11.8A/F in 4TH. They need to be up around 12.8 - 13.2. Once that gets sorted out in the re-tune she should go low 14's in N/A trim. Currently doing a ton of data logging and will be stepping up from the 40H.P shot to a 75H.P shot. We're shooting for 13.2-13.4 E.T. Once I get the FUDDLE 3500 stall converter in it should hit high 13's in N/A trim.


Oh and ALLEN, your right MOPAR after 1972 was very lame. lol! I've always liked to own a Cuda with a 440.
 
Any muscle car that came out after 72 is junk IMO. They last their muscle.
 
not saying that minor bolt on dont work, its just is it really worth x amount of dollars for a horse or 2? depending on the price and gain maybe but otherwise not so much
 
not saying that minor bolt on dont work, its just is it really worth x amount of dollars for a horse or 2? depending on the price and gain maybe but otherwise not so much

According to this post here, it appears the bolt-ons pay for themselves

BTW : The 3 mods that I mentioned here have been saving me about $10 a week in fuel costs, so $10 x 52 weeks = $520 a year for the last 2 years = $1040. Electric fan was free due to I took it off another one of my drag trucks, custom CAI was built from steel tubing I had in the garage. Cost $5 to paint it. The ASP under driven crank pulley was $350. So actually my mods have paid for themselves twice already...............

Personally, I think it's all hog-wash, but that's just me.

Props to him for trying to tho, and not getting irate and defensive like most people, but his claims are just that, claims. No 4.0 Ranger is going to get an average 28mpg when driven normally. The motor just isn't that efficient.
 
hey hp freak, i've seen your vids so i know the truck performs, but you've said that it's been on the dyno.

unless ya already posted it, could i get a link to the sheets?

thanks
 
The thing is between my brother and myself we had several "muscle" cars.
The only make muscle car I never owned was an AMC.

The car I'd like to have back?

Odd as this may sound... my '71 Catalina Wagon

With it's MANUAL (but oh-so-perfectly counter-balanced) "clamshell" tailgate

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Poor Wayne at Underdog performance I hope this does not hurt his sales of Pulleys.
 
hey hp freak, I've seen your vids so i know the truck performs, but you've said that it's been on the dyno.

unless ya already posted it, could i get a link to the sheets?

thanks


HI!... Actually this RANGER has never been on the dyno. Never said it was. My other vehicles have countless hours on the dyno, either chassis or engine dynoes. To me 1/4 mile times tell everything I need to know. I used to data log on the dyno. But my new set-up, I can data log on the street which is more accurate. It gets more real world data. You have no rolling or wind resistance on the dyno, and more of a true LOAD factor. I might throw it on one day for giggles though. lol!
 
According to this post here, it appears the bolt-ons pay for themselves



Personally, I think it's all hog-wash, but that's just me.

Props to him for trying to tho, and not getting irate and defensive like most people, but his claims are just that, claims. No 4.0 Ranger is going to get an average 28mpg when driven normally. The motor just isn't that efficient.

HI!... Well everyone has a opinion. You expressed yours I expressed mine. I never said I get a "AVERAGE" of 28MPG. So far that is it's best MPG on the highway. I don't record MPG in the city. What's the point? LOL! The average on this truck I would have to say is probably around 25 mpg most of the time. (on the highway)
 
HI!... Well everyone has a opinion. You expressed yours I expressed mine. I never said I get a "AVERAGE" of 28MPG. So far that is it's best MPG on the highway. I don't record MPG in the city. What's the point? LOL! The average on this truck I would have to say is probably around 25 mpg most of the time. (on the highway)

Ahh, my bad. I must have misread your post.
 

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