351W/ZF/T-Case

Broaner · 01-19-2008, 04:06 PM

So I've got a carbed 351 out of an '81 F250. But its got an auto on it. If I were to use the ZF does the shifter end up in a good location for the stock shift boot? It also has a manual Tcase on it which I understand to be a 1356; is this correct? Its my understanding that Tcase will bolt up to the ZF but the larger size of the case requires clearancing. How will the shifter assembly on that fit? The stock 1354 will not bolt to the ZF; correct? What needs to be done for the speedo situation? I'm just kinda weighing my options here guys. Thanks for any input in advance.

wickedwindsor · 01-19-2008, 06:10 PM

The shifter comes out of the trans tunnel forward of the stock ranger location near under the dash. Check to see if it IS a 1356 and not an NP208. If it is an NP208, you are in luck as this should fit with no frame clearancing. I just recently put in a 1356 in my Explorer and moved the tranny mount to the passenger side by 7/8" to give just enough clearance for the xfer case to frame rail. I still ground out the frame a litttle anyway. The speedo arrangement is the same as stock 1354 so that is a bolt on. As far as xfer case shifter location...I used a shifter for an NP208 from an '86 F150 with AOD. This shifter ended up in the lower left side of the removeable trans tunnel plate. I had to cut and re-weld the shifter handle as it was hanging right by my right leg originally.
A lot of work, but not too bad if you can cut and weld. Oh ya, I used a front driveshaft from a '97 up F150 with 4.6 and hydrid ujoint to diff. Rear shaft was shortened by 1.5".
Moral of the story here is, definitely NOT a bolt in swap but very do-able with some patience and sweat.

wickedwindsor · 01-19-2008, 06:28 PM

4 Low

4 High

Drivers POV

No Plate

Tranny Mount moved over 7/8" to make room for 1356

projectnitemare · 01-20-2008, 08:51 AM

I will have to get some pictures posted up for you. If you want to use a ZF you either need to install a body lift or fab a new trans tunnel. It will not fit nicely. I put a body lift on and I still had a spot that was pretty tight. You need the engine to sit as low as possible in the frame too. The shifter will need to be modified and the stock ranger boot won't work. It will be pointed toward the dash. I used an NP205 for stregnth and it happens to be smaller than both the NP208 and BW1356. With the NP205 you will need to grind a passage for the shift rail to clear on the tailshaft housing. The stock speedo stuff will work. If you decide to use a ZF it will be in your best interest to install the engine and trans already mated.

Matt

**brendank** · 01-23-2008, 12:13 AM

I'd really like to see those pics, mainly of the shifter positioning and of how the transmission sits in the tunnel.

Broaner · 01-23-2008, 07:50 AM

How far up under the dash does the ZF shifter come out? Is it something that is liveable or not really? Interested to see you pics Nitemare.

Is there a list of trucks that the 205 came in?

OT, on a 302,T5 setup where does the shifter come out?

**Mac** · 01-23-2008, 02:09 PM

With the T-5, the shifter comes out about 6-7 back from the stock location.
Dave - two hours North of you.

projectnitemare · 01-23-2008, 02:11 PM

I will have pics today. The ZF shifter comes out pretty close to the dash. I cut and rewelded the bottom of the shifter where it bolts to the trans to fix this problem. If I didn't 1st, 3rd and 5th wouldn't be used. I forget the exact years of the NP205 but you are pretty much guranteed to see it in a 70's 4x4 Ford. The era is late 60's or so to the early 80's. It's very common but be sure to read the ID tag so you don't get a NP203. They are quite massive. The T5 setup the shifter comes out right in front of the set. 2nd, 4th and reverse will just hit the seat.

Matt

Broaner · 01-24-2008, 12:13 PM

Okay cool. Fabbing on the shifter doesn't bother me. What I'm really interested to know is how far forward of the stock console does it protrude from the floor?

projectnitemare · 01-24-2008, 02:26 PM

Excuse the mess in there I need to get my wires looking nice yet; I just moved the MSD from the engine bay to the inside. Here are some pics.

Here's 1st gear

Reverse

1st gear top view

Why you need a body lift

Matt

Broaner · 01-25-2008, 09:51 AM

Thanks for the pics. So, does anyone know if on a 95 are the firewall to stock shifter dimensions the same as an 88? Body lift makes sense. I'm putting one on currently. But why not help by cutting that massive semi-triangular tab off?

projectnitemare · 01-25-2008, 03:53 PM

I would believe those measurements are about the same. Maybe a little less room because that dash is bigger. The big tab on the trans isn't the only part that hits just the one that I can snap a picture of. The bellhousing is massive and the top of the transmission is massive.

ZF beside a M5ODR2

Matt

01-19-2008, 04:06 PM	#1
Broaner Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Madison, WI Year: 1995, 89 Make: Ford, Nissan Model: Ranger XLT, 240sx Posts: 135 Rep Power: 12 iTrader: (1)	351W/ZF/T-Case So I've got a carbed 351 out of an '81 F250. But its got an auto on it. If I were to use the ZF does the shifter end up in a good location for the stock shift boot? It also has a manual Tcase on it which I understand to be a 1356; is this correct? Its my understanding that Tcase will bolt up to the ZF but the larger size of the case requires clearancing. How will the shifter assembly on that fit? The stock 1354 will not bolt to the ZF; correct? What needs to be done for the speedo situation? I'm just kinda weighing my options here guys. Thanks for any input in advance. __________________ FOR SALE Yukon Axles, Freshly Sandblasted and Primed Disc Brake 31 Spline Housing & Misc Associated Parts, D35 Warn Hubs, OEM Leaf Spring Hanger
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01-19-2008, 06:10 PM	#2
wickedwindsor New Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Year: 1991 Make: Ford Model: Exploer Engine: 351 Posts: 14 Rep Power: 0 iTrader: (0)	The shifter comes out of the trans tunnel forward of the stock ranger location near under the dash. Check to see if it IS a 1356 and not an NP208. If it is an NP208, you are in luck as this should fit with no frame clearancing. I just recently put in a 1356 in my Explorer and moved the tranny mount to the passenger side by 7/8" to give just enough clearance for the xfer case to frame rail. I still ground out the frame a litttle anyway. The speedo arrangement is the same as stock 1354 so that is a bolt on. As far as xfer case shifter location...I used a shifter for an NP208 from an '86 F150 with AOD. This shifter ended up in the lower left side of the removeable trans tunnel plate. I had to cut and re-weld the shifter handle as it was hanging right by my right leg originally. A lot of work, but not too bad if you can cut and weld. Oh ya, I used a front driveshaft from a '97 up F150 with 4.6 and hydrid ujoint to diff. Rear shaft was shortened by 1.5". Moral of the story here is, definitely NOT a bolt in swap but very do-able with some patience and sweat.
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01-19-2008, 06:28 PM	#3
wickedwindsor New Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Year: 1991 Make: Ford Model: Exploer Engine: 351 Posts: 14 Rep Power: 0 iTrader: (0)	4 Low 4 High Drivers POV No Plate Tranny Mount moved over 7/8" to make room for 1356 __________________ '91 Explorer, 351 EFI Windsor swap with 4R70W and Baumann controller. 1356 manual transfer case. 2" body lift, 2" suspension lift. 33" Procomp Mud Terrains.
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01-20-2008, 08:51 AM	#4
projectnitemare Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Osceola Mills, Pa Year: 1988 Make: Ford Model: Ranger XLT Engine: 396W Class: 4x4 Extreme Posts: 1,111 Rep Power: 15 iTrader: (2)	I will have to get some pictures posted up for you. If you want to use a ZF you either need to install a body lift or fab a new trans tunnel. It will not fit nicely. I put a body lift on and I still had a spot that was pretty tight. You need the engine to sit as low as possible in the frame too. The shifter will need to be modified and the stock ranger boot won't work. It will be pointed toward the dash. I used an NP205 for stregnth and it happens to be smaller than both the NP208 and BW1356. With the NP205 you will need to grind a passage for the shift rail to clear on the tailshaft housing. The stock speedo stuff will work. If you decide to use a ZF it will be in your best interest to install the engine and trans already mated. Matt __________________ 88 Ranger XLT 4x4, no drivetrain, no frame, nothing....new stroker, frame and drivetrain in the works
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01-23-2008, 12:13 AM	#5
brendank It's only money... Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Saskatoon, Saskatchewan Year: 1993 Make: Ford Model: Ranger Posts: 633 Rep Power: 10 iTrader: (2)	I'd really like to see those pics, mainly of the shifter positioning and of how the transmission sits in the tunnel. __________________ Blue 93 Ranger 4.0L 4x4 5spd, 38.5's on 16x10's EB coils, 6" Skyjacker Leafs, Belltech 6400's, Bilstein 5150's Fullwidth D60, Lockright, 5.38's, Dedenbear C's 14BFF, 5.38's, Detroit, Disc Braked 3" B/L, Dual batteries, 9500lb winch, Bushwacker cutouts
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01-23-2008, 07:50 AM	#6
Broaner Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Madison, WI Year: 1995, 89 Make: Ford, Nissan Model: Ranger XLT, 240sx Posts: 135 Rep Power: 12 iTrader: (1)	How far up under the dash does the ZF shifter come out? Is it something that is liveable or not really? Interested to see you pics Nitemare. Is there a list of trucks that the 205 came in? OT, on a 302,T5 setup where does the shifter come out? __________________ FOR SALE Yukon Axles, Freshly Sandblasted and Primed Disc Brake 31 Spline Housing & Misc Associated Parts, D35 Warn Hubs, OEM Leaf Spring Hanger
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01-23-2008, 02:09 PM	#7
Mac Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: C. Wisconsin Year: 2003 Make: Ford Model: Ranger XLT Ext Cab Engine: 3.0 Class: 2WD Street Used For: Summer Beater Posts: 4,396 Rep Power: 55 iTrader: (2)	With the T-5, the shifter comes out about 6-7 back from the stock location. Dave - two hours North of you.
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01-23-2008, 02:11 PM	#8
projectnitemare Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Osceola Mills, Pa Year: 1988 Make: Ford Model: Ranger XLT Engine: 396W Class: 4x4 Extreme Posts: 1,111 Rep Power: 15 iTrader: (2)	I will have pics today. The ZF shifter comes out pretty close to the dash. I cut and rewelded the bottom of the shifter where it bolts to the trans to fix this problem. If I didn't 1st, 3rd and 5th wouldn't be used. I forget the exact years of the NP205 but you are pretty much guranteed to see it in a 70's 4x4 Ford. The era is late 60's or so to the early 80's. It's very common but be sure to read the ID tag so you don't get a NP203. They are quite massive. The T5 setup the shifter comes out right in front of the set. 2nd, 4th and reverse will just hit the seat. Matt __________________ 88 Ranger XLT 4x4, no drivetrain, no frame, nothing....new stroker, frame and drivetrain in the works
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01-24-2008, 12:13 PM	#9
Broaner Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Madison, WI Year: 1995, 89 Make: Ford, Nissan Model: Ranger XLT, 240sx Posts: 135 Rep Power: 12 iTrader: (1)	Okay cool. Fabbing on the shifter doesn't bother me. What I'm really interested to know is how far forward of the stock console does it protrude from the floor? __________________ FOR SALE Yukon Axles, Freshly Sandblasted and Primed Disc Brake 31 Spline Housing & Misc Associated Parts, D35 Warn Hubs, OEM Leaf Spring Hanger
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01-24-2008, 02:26 PM	#10
projectnitemare Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Osceola Mills, Pa Year: 1988 Make: Ford Model: Ranger XLT Engine: 396W Class: 4x4 Extreme Posts: 1,111 Rep Power: 15 iTrader: (2)	Excuse the mess in there I need to get my wires looking nice yet; I just moved the MSD from the engine bay to the inside. Here are some pics. Here's 1st gear Reverse 1st gear top view Why you need a body lift Matt __________________ 88 Ranger XLT 4x4, no drivetrain, no frame, nothing....new stroker, frame and drivetrain in the works
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01-25-2008, 09:51 AM	#11
Broaner Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Madison, WI Year: 1995, 89 Make: Ford, Nissan Model: Ranger XLT, 240sx Posts: 135 Rep Power: 12 iTrader: (1)	Thanks for the pics. So, does anyone know if on a 95 are the firewall to stock shifter dimensions the same as an 88? Body lift makes sense. I'm putting one on currently. But why not help by cutting that massive semi-triangular tab off? __________________ FOR SALE Yukon Axles, Freshly Sandblasted and Primed Disc Brake 31 Spline Housing & Misc Associated Parts, D35 Warn Hubs, OEM Leaf Spring Hanger
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01-25-2008, 03:53 PM	#12
projectnitemare Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Osceola Mills, Pa Year: 1988 Make: Ford Model: Ranger XLT Engine: 396W Class: 4x4 Extreme Posts: 1,111 Rep Power: 15 iTrader: (2)	I would believe those measurements are about the same. Maybe a little less room because that dash is bigger. The big tab on the trans isn't the only part that hits just the one that I can snap a picture of. The bellhousing is massive and the top of the transmission is massive. ZF beside a M5ODR2 Matt __________________ 88 Ranger XLT 4x4, no drivetrain, no frame, nothing....new stroker, frame and drivetrain in the works
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