What REALLY is considered lift height?

SuperRob · 08-17-2007, 01:48 AM

So a buddy and I were talking today about lift height.

When you're describing a lifted truck, does the increase in height gained SOLELY by bigger tires count towards the height of 'the lift'?

Increasing tires from a 28" to a 35" has a total difference of 7 inches, split the difference, for 3.5 inches of increased truck height (And, no, we're not getting technical about the bottom of the tire having a lower profile due to vehicle weight...its not significant in this case)

Assuming said truck has a 3 inch body lift, and a 6 inch suspension lift, should this truck be referred to as being lifted 9 inches, or 12.5"? And if you deem that the tire lift should count towards the total lifted height, would it then be safe to say that, 'That truck is lifted 12.5"'? (Where lifted 12.5 inches is an adjective?)

THEN, could you also say, 'That truck has a 12.5" lift!", or would be be then said that, 'That truck has a 9" lift!'? (Where 'the lift' is a noun, and tires are not actually a part of the lift)

Yes I have too much time on my hands.

Anxiously awaiting replies.

Redneck Cowgirl · 08-17-2007, 02:01 AM

the total lift that can be counted is for example:

3" body lift, and a 6" suspention lift = 9"

One could say they have 9" lift.... the size of the tire does not count towards the "lift" ones truck has... Its could count towards clearance looking at the diff.... or frame hight, but does not count as part of there total "lift"

This is why in almost every converstation everyone who wheels has includes both of theses questions:
Is it lifted? How much?
AND
What size of tires you running???

TRUNK_MONKEY · 08-17-2007, 03:21 AM

i'd call it,from where it was (stock) to where it is now.by any means. and it really matters not anyway,as long as your parts dont rub and cut tires up,you are fine.
lift means nothing anyway.
how many lifted rigs do you see with 2 inches of u bolts pointing to the ground?seriously,i think people need to devote some time to "de-horning" the bottom of the trucks. lots of junk down there waiting to grab a rock or log and make ya really mad!!

PARKINGLOT · 08-17-2007, 04:15 AM

tires don't count...you need the lift to fit bigger tires (usually, although that could mean my stock BII was lifted 1" from the 31's on it...lol)
the lift gives you height to run bigger tires and give you a better approach, departure, and break-over angle, and the tires give you more clearance under the diffs...

**JohnnyO** · 08-17-2007, 09:19 AM

I would count the suspension and/or bodylift but not anything gained by the tires alone. .02.

DK27 · 08-17-2007, 09:22 AM

I would count the tires as gained ground clearance I believe.

High Desert Ranger · 08-17-2007, 09:46 AM

It is the height of the suspension lift and the body lift and not icluding the height of the tires. Namely because the first 2 increases in height are structural changes to the the truck and tires a dress up change. One could put 12" of lift in the suspension and body of a truck and go smaller on the tire size. Would that mena that the decrease in the tire size counteracts the amount of the lift nope. Namely because wheels are very easy to change and I could quite literally change tire size every 30 minutes and have upwards of 30+ tires put on the vehicle in one day but that still doesn't count towards lift height.

Besides if you this about it; it is suspension Lift and body Lift and you never say tire Lift so in Lift height it is only suspension and body that counts.

**MAKG** · 08-17-2007, 09:51 AM

The tires change the clearance and the bumper height. They do not change the lift.

Note that some "lift laws" really regulate the bumper height.

Honestly, when designing a truck for the trail, the lift doesn't matter. Only the clearance (and a few other issues like overhang and wheelbase).

arrabil · 08-17-2007, 11:52 AM

You can't use the tire because the flex IS significant. If you're measuring in half inch increments, certainly your tires compress 1/2" at the bottom at 28psi. And if you put less air into them that number can change to 1.5" quickly.

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Note that some "lift laws" really regulate the bumper height

Yup. 30" for the horizontal parts of the bumpers to the ground, body lifts no bigger than 3", and the tires tucked into fenders are the only real requirements in PA.

**4x4junkie** · 08-17-2007, 04:56 PM

I've generally always excluded the tires from "lift" also.

**brendank** · 08-17-2007, 05:29 PM

Yup. Tires don't count.

SuperRob · 08-18-2007, 02:51 AM

Thats what I thought too....Tires dont count

08-17-2007, 01:48 AM	#1
SuperRob Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Victoria BC Year: 1989 Make: Ford Model: Ranger Engine: 2.9 Class: 4x4 Used For: exporting Alberta Dirt into BC Posts: 136 Rep Power: 12 iTrader: (0)	What REALLY is considered lift height? So a buddy and I were talking today about lift height. When you're describing a lifted truck, does the increase in height gained SOLELY by bigger tires count towards the height of 'the lift'? Increasing tires from a 28" to a 35" has a total difference of 7 inches, split the difference, for 3.5 inches of increased truck height (And, no, we're not getting technical about the bottom of the tire having a lower profile due to vehicle weight...its not significant in this case) Assuming said truck has a 3 inch body lift, and a 6 inch suspension lift, should this truck be referred to as being lifted 9 inches, or 12.5"? And if you deem that the tire lift should count towards the total lifted height, would it then be safe to say that, 'That truck is lifted 12.5"'? (Where lifted 12.5 inches is an adjective?) THEN, could you also say, 'That truck has a 12.5" lift!", or would be be then said that, 'That truck has a 9" lift!'? (Where 'the lift' is a noun, and tires are not actually a part of the lift) Yes I have too much time on my hands. Anxiously awaiting replies. __________________ Will - 'If I were a shit eating dog, there would be nothing left but your boots.' 1989 Ranger XLT 4x4 2.9l, Mistubishi 5 speed, Dana 35 (3.73) Front End, 7.5" (3.73) Rear End F150 Coils with 1 1/8" Spacer, Explorer Leaf Pack with extra Main Leaf, Belltech 6400 Shackles
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Redneck Cowgirl Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 33 Rep Power: 12 iTrader: (0)	the total lift that can be counted is for example: 3" body lift, and a 6" suspention lift = 9" One could say they have 9" lift.... the size of the tire does not count towards the "lift" ones truck has... Its could count towards clearance looking at the diff.... or frame hight, but does not count as part of there total "lift" This is why in almost every converstation everyone who wheels has includes both of theses questions: Is it lifted? How much? AND What size of tires you running???
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08-17-2007, 03:21 AM	#3
TRUNK_MONKEY Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Westminster,Colorado Year: 2002 Make: jeep Model: wrangler Posts: 88 Rep Power: 12 iTrader: (0)	meh i'd call it,from where it was (stock) to where it is now.by any means. and it really matters not anyway,as long as your parts dont rub and cut tires up,you are fine. lift means nothing anyway. how many lifted rigs do you see with 2 inches of u bolts pointing to the ground?seriously,i think people need to devote some time to "de-horning" the bottom of the trucks. lots of junk down there waiting to grab a rock or log and make ya really mad!! __________________ when you have to shoot--shoot,dont talk tuco http://staythetrail.org/
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PARKINGLOT Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: St. Thomas, ON Year: 1995 Make: Jeep Model: Grand Cherokee Engine: 5.2 Class: 4x4 Used For: haulin' groceries & wheelin' Posts: 426 Rep Power: 12 iTrader: (0)	tires don't count...you need the lift to fit bigger tires (usually, although that could mean my stock BII was lifted 1" from the 31's on it...lol) the lift gives you height to run bigger tires and give you a better approach, departure, and break-over angle, and the tires give you more clearance under the diffs... __________________ RIP Matt C - turbonator/sohc86 :( Switched to the dark side - 95 ZJ 5.2 with some stuff..... "I don't break shit, I just test it's durablity" Formerly GONRACIN, Member #166, Join date 30-July 04
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08-17-2007, 09:19 AM	#5
JohnnyO Clean And Articulate Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Year: 2008 Make: Ford Model: Sport Trac Engine: 4.0 Class: 4x4 Used For: Daily Driver Posts: 3,763 Rep Power: 10 iTrader: (1)	I would count the suspension and/or bodylift but not anything gained by the tires alone. .02. __________________ Steeler Nation does not have to travel. We're already there. "It is not the multitude of ale houses that occasions a general disposition toward drunkenness among the common people; but rather disposition arising from other causes necessarily gives employment to a multitude of ale houses." -- Adam Smith, 1776
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08-17-2007, 09:46 AM	#7
High Desert Ranger Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: High Desert, Calif Year: 1987 Make: Ford Model: Ranger Posts: 247 Rep Power: 12 iTrader: (0)	It is the height of the suspension lift and the body lift and not icluding the height of the tires. Namely because the first 2 increases in height are structural changes to the the truck and tires a dress up change. One could put 12" of lift in the suspension and body of a truck and go smaller on the tire size. Would that mena that the decrease in the tire size counteracts the amount of the lift nope. Namely because wheels are very easy to change and I could quite literally change tire size every 30 minutes and have upwards of 30+ tires put on the vehicle in one day but that still doesn't count towards lift height. Besides if you this about it; it is suspension Lift and body Lift and you never say tire Lift so in *Lift* height it is only suspension and body that counts.
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08-17-2007, 09:51 AM	#8
MAKG RBV Technical Advisor Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: California central coast Year: 1991 Make: Ford Model: Explorer Engine: 4.0L Class: 4x4 Posts: 4,643 Rep Power: 21 iTrader: (0)	The tires change the clearance and the bumper height. They do not change the lift. Note that some "lift laws" really regulate the bumper height. Honestly, when designing a truck for the trail, the lift doesn't matter. Only the clearance (and a few other issues like overhang and wheelbase). __________________ 1990 VW Jetta GL, 1.8L 8V gasoline engine, manual transmission, painted in oxidized red paint and ponderosa pine sap, unknown mileage. 1991 Exploder, 4.0L, M5OD-R1 manual transmission, electronic BW1354 transfer case, 3.54 gears, 31 inch tires, icky two-tone blue paint with little clear coat, 230K miles. 1972 Chevy C-10, 250 I-6, SM465 (2WD) four-on-the-floor, 3.73 gears in a GM 12-bolt, puke green with a white cab. The "4 wheeled trash can," with x70K miles. x is probably 2.
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08-17-2007, 05:29 PM	#11
brendank It's only money... Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Saskatoon, Saskatchewan Year: 1993 Make: Ford Model: Ranger Posts: 633 Rep Power: 10 iTrader: (2)	Yup. Tires don't count. __________________ Blue 93 Ranger 4.0L 4x4 5spd, 38.5's on 16x10's EB coils, 6" Skyjacker Leafs, Belltech 6400's, Bilstein 5150's Fullwidth D60, Lockright, 5.38's, Dedenbear C's 14BFF, 5.38's, Detroit, Disc Braked 3" B/L, Dual batteries, 9500lb winch, Bushwacker cutouts
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08-18-2007, 02:51 AM	#12
SuperRob Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Victoria BC Year: 1989 Make: Ford Model: Ranger Engine: 2.9 Class: 4x4 Used For: exporting Alberta Dirt into BC Posts: 136 Rep Power: 12 iTrader: (0)	Thats what I thought too....Tires dont count __________________ Will - 'If I were a shit eating dog, there would be nothing left but your boots.' 1989 Ranger XLT 4x4 2.9l, Mistubishi 5 speed, Dana 35 (3.73) Front End, 7.5" (3.73) Rear End F150 Coils with 1 1/8" Spacer, Explorer Leaf Pack with extra Main Leaf, Belltech 6400 Shackles
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