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Old 04-10-2012, 06:20 PM   #11
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The ttb setup is capable of some pretty amazing things. It beats the living snot out of sla setups day after day. If modified appropriately a ttb setup can roll with the big dogs.

The big problem with ttb is most people don't understand how it works and how to maximize its usefulness. Most of the time it's easier to sas than it is to work the bugs out of the factory ttb system.
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Old 04-11-2012, 12:08 AM   #12
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The ttb setup is capable of some pretty amazing things. It beats the living snot out of sla setups day after day.
Very true if you factor in cost vs. durability (especially while building on OEM platforms), however with enough budget a SLA-IFS tends to have an advantage because of it's "cleaner" (as well as highly tunable) wheel travel characteristics (especially as speeds go higher).


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You don't "need" a lifted truck. Solid axle's will outperform TTB's in a lot of offroad situations. That's all I was saying. You will never get even similar flex from a TTB that is just part of the independent suspension any "flex" typically gained is due to frame flex.
You're saying this is all due to frame flex?
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Old 04-11-2012, 05:32 AM   #13
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Becides getting a 6 inch drop pitman ARM from sj is there anything else I need to know I was going to buy a brand new stock setup and run the drop pitman just so the steering was tight.
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Old 04-11-2012, 06:58 AM   #14
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Very true if you factor in cost vs. durability (especially while building on OEM platforms), however with enough budget a SLA-IFS tends to have an advantage because of it's "cleaner" (as well as highly tunable) wheel travel characteristics (especially as speeds go higher).




You're saying this is all due to frame flex?
What flex am I looking at? Passenger side is dropping out with nothing under it drivers side is tucking with a rock. That's exactly how any ifs would respond to that situation. Just because it looks like a solid axle would doesn't make it flexing out. Don't get me wrong TTBs are great but its humanly impossible to flex one that's not how IFS works.
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What flex am I looking at? Passenger side is dropping out with nothing under it drivers side is tucking with a rock. That's exactly how any ifs would respond to that situation. Just because it looks like a solid axle would doesn't make it flexing out. Don't get me wrong TTBs are great but its humanly impossible to flex one that's not how IFS works.
If you look, the rear drivers side tire is dropped out so that the entire suspension is articulated to its max, so I'm pretty sure a solid axle with the same springs/lift would have done more or less the same thing under those circumstances.
But I could be wrong...
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The Skyjacker pt# FA600 drop pitman arm should work fine if you're set up for 4" lift. I'd suggest a K-link setup for it though (less stress on the steering box shaft). A K-link or other setup would be mandatory if you want more than 4" lift with softer coils anyway.



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If you look, the rear drivers side tire is dropped out so that the entire suspension is articulated to its max, so I'm pretty sure a solid axle with the same springs/lift would have done more or less the same thing under those circumstances.
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For sure it would have.
I've concluded he must be playing a semantics card, because that post makes just about as much sense as a solid axle remaining rigid in that circumstance.
Fact remains, TTBs will outperform solid axles in a lot of offroad situations too. But there's more situations far & wide where either one would work about the same than situations where one can outperform the other. Some apparently just have a hard time realizing this.
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If you look, the rear drivers side tire is dropped out so that the entire suspension is articulated to its max, so I'm pretty sure a solid axle with the same springs/lift would have done more or less the same thing under those circumstances.
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It would do similar I was simply pointing out IFS does not articulate like a solid axle that is purely its design.

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For sure it would have.
I've concluded he must be playing a semantics card, because that post makes just about as much sense as a solid axle remaining rigid in that circumstance.
Fact remains, TTBs will outperform solid axles in a lot of offroad situations too. But there's more situations far & wide where either one would work about the same than situations where one can outperform the other. Some apparently just have a hard time realizing this.
There are ton's of situations that solid axles perform better. There is one situation that TTB's perform better and that is after you build the crap out of them (prerunning). This is the reason KOH guys prefer solid axles there are many threads on pirate about this exact thing.
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If a solid axle flexes so well then why do the desert racers use ifs? Solid axles have their place and for the cost of a sas you can flex out a ttb. Plus if you really want to flex a solid axle you'll have to link it, kinda like how a ttb already is. For fairness solid axles are far stronger than a ttb.

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If a solid axle flexes so well then why do the desert racers use ifs? Solid axles have their place and for the cost of a sas you can flex out a ttb. Plus if you really want to flex a solid axle you'll have to link it, kinda like how a ttb already is. For fairness solid axles are far stronger than a ttb.

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Was that a serious question? IFS has the option of more travel deser racing has nothing to do with flex. If you read my post I mentioned it as well. In all fairness the jeepspeed guys do run SFA vehicles.

IFS will never flex. Flex is caused by one wheel pushing the other up or down. IFS cannot do that it is how IFS works. You can make a TTB drop out and compress better, but its still not a solid axle.
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IFS will never flex. Flex is caused by one wheel pushing the other up or down. IFS cannot do that it is how IFS works. You can make a TTB drop out and compress better, but its still not a solid axle.
Ohhhh I see what you are saying now. See I understood flex as just another way of saying wheel travel. In that case yes, an ifs will never 'flex' like a solid axle does.
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