time slips and money in truck

[ironman]

just as the title says new to sight and would like to know how fast your trucks are running and how much money you have tied up in them.will be interesting to see the numbers.

[macdaddy31516]

i havent run mine at the track yet, but i am hoping to be in the 7's. i say 7's to be conservative in case it runs better. my friends are saying that it will. a guy that lives down the street has an 06 vette tried me the other day at the redlight in town.lets just say he had a bruised ego that day.:icon_thumby:

[281Ranger]

I've only had mine to the track once and that was for the initial shake-down after the swap (found a few things that needed to be changed). I had about $2500 total into the project. Setup was as follows:

Stock used engine
Prototype intake (unknown flow)
Stock Mark VIII tune
Stock 4R70W
8.8 with 3.73s/TL
Used stockcar slicks (they were only $20/pair)
About 3500 lbs

If I would have hit one 13.99 the first time out I would have been happy as hell. But, because I forgot to replace the fuel filter from the donor vehicle (it was black inside) the best run was a 14.32@96mph. Once in drive it wouldn't rev much past 4500 rpm. On the plus side, nothing broke.

The truck now has 4.10 gears, mild tune, a clean fuel filter, and will have a stall converter when it goes back together. I'm not trying to run 12s but mid 13s would be nice.

[pineypower1186]

ive been 14.20 at 97mph. i paid 2500 for truck, motor, trans, rear end, and wheels. i have an msd pro-billet distr.($500), performer rpm intake($180), block hugger shorty headers(we don't worry about how i got them), true dual 2 1/2'' exhaust, no cats, 2 40 series flows($400), and rite now i have no tranny cause i broke the aod with an art carr full manual valve body($700). soon to have a t-5 but i have no idea how much the swap is gonna cost me.

[projectnitemare]

With a GPS in the 1/8th I have 8.47 seconds at 80mph. I launched pretty easily and started in second gear since first winds out faster than you can snap your fingers. It's rare if it hooks up on a hard launch. From the other vehicles it keeps up with the truck is somewhere in the low to mid 13s. Not bad for a lifted offroad truck with 35s and 3.73s. Weight is 3850 with me and half a tank of gas. I have around $4k in the engine, 396W stroker, just under 11:1 compression, comp 292 cam, ported and polished heads, 3 angle valve, MSD ignition, Edelbrok performer intake and 600 cfm carb. I'm pulling this set up in the spring for a 426W stroker with a more offroad and street friendly build.

Matt

[red85]

I've run low 14's with mine as well. I got the truck for $0. Paid my brother in law $50 for the 302 roller motor (he owed me a favour). The mounts were about 90 bucks and the headers were a gift from my wife. The C4 tranny was $250 and I did a servo mod and made a shift kit for free from instructions I got from Burly 4x4.com. I did all my own headwork and matched the intake ports on my Edelbrock Performer. I paid $125 for a Holley 750 DP and got a distributor in the deal as well. I paid $50 for a Chevy HEI module and 70 for a Carter fuel pump. So for $570 I built a pretty kickass little truck. That's what it took to get it running at least. I've added lots of other stuff like a Derale flex fan, B&M shifter, new gauges (speedo and tach), a 94 Explorer rad, wheels from my 94 Ranger, fancy chrome air cleaner and a new interiorcarpet and seats (total investment of $20 for the carpet - the seats were a freebee).
I'm planning some big changes for the spring - I have a W based stroker that I've been working on and some 2x6 1/4" steel tubing for a back half job with a rear axle from a 99 Explorer and a Pigpen Racing (my little business) custom 4 link setup. The idea is to have a real street truck that I can flog on the strip. Once the new mill is in it, I'll let you guys know what it runs.

[purplehaze]

90 ranger shortbed, engine 331 stroker forged rods crank by eagle probe flat tops funnel web intake 700 holley double pumper 572 lift roller cam, afr 185 alum. heads 1.7 crane rockers 1''5/8 shortys c4 manual vbody trans 2500 stall. 8.8 with 373 gears stock susp. sept for ibeams. best time 7.95 at 95. with 2.0 60ft. i'm not spinning just leave line at 2000 rpm , tires 26/10.50 mickey thomp. et streets. have sniper 150 shot but haven't sprayed it yet. thanks for reading i have 5500 in everything including truck ebay is great

[v-8power]

90 ranger shortbed, engine 331 stroker forged rods crank by eagle probe flat tops funnel web intake 700 holley double pumper 572 lift roller cam, afr 185 alum. heads 1.7 crane rockers 1''5/8 shortys c4 manual vbody trans 2500 stall. 8.8 with 373 gears stock susp. sept for ibeams. best time 7.95 at 95. with 2.0 60ft. i'm not spinning just leave line at 2000 rpm , tires 26/10.50 mickey thomp. et streets. have sniper 150 shot but haven't sprayed it yet. thanks for reading i have 5500 in everything including truck ebay is great
7.95 Thats for the 1/8th right? What does that convert to in the 1/4? Just curious.

[baddad457]

89 ext cab, paid $11,500 for it new. How much on the swap? Can't tell you that, if I did, I'd have to kill you afterward.:icon_rofl: Best time with the 331 sixpack motor was 13.7 @102.(60' times were in the twos, so there was more left) Truck weighs 3550 lbs. If you're debating whether or not to do the swap, you may as well quit now. You have to WANT it to go thru with it to completion.

[Twizzler09]

Reading everyone time's I have a question.

I'm seeing people that have similar vehicles, running similar CID, similar gears, and only slightly different performance mods to the motors, and likely very similar horsepower and torque numbers, but very drastic difference in the end result.

What causes this? Pretty sure its got something to do with the way the truck is setup?

[Will]

Base 6.0 Corvette is 400hp and 400ft#--real SAE net horsepower, not gross. 4.8 0-60 and a 12.8 @ 107mph in the quarter-mile.

Z06 Corvette (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=107906) 7.0 liter, 505hp 470ft#--again, real SAE numbers. 4.5 0-60 and 12.2 @ 120mph.

I'd like a chance to take on a 302 Ranger in either of these Corvettes.:3gears:

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/roadtest/06.chevrolet.corvette.z06/06.chevrolet.corvette.eng.500.jpg

[pineypower1186]

if u need a corvette to beat a v8 ranger u have no idea how to drive. and twizzler the reason ppl run differently is all about the truck setup. and who ever said that u should not do a v8 swap if ur still debating it didnt do his right cuz they are well worth it.

[Will]

if u need a corvette to beat a v8 ranger u have no idea how to drive.
What does that mean, exactly? So if I know how to drive I should be able to beat a V8 Ranger in anything? Like on my riding mower?

I was responding to this:
i havent run mine at the track yet, but i am hoping to be in the 7's. i say 7's to be conservative in case it runs better. my friends are saying that it will. a guy that lives down the street has an 06 vette tried me the other day at the redlight in town.lets just say he had a bruised ego that day.:icon_thumby:

[GETUSUM]

Bang for the buck I do not think it is the best 1/4 king. If you want to have fun and surprise alot of people, do it. My freind just did one on a budget with a explorer block, gt 40 iron heads, c-4, carb, mustang headers, skinnies with e/t streets and he ran 12:70@103.

[baddad457]

if u need a corvette to beat a v8 ranger u have no idea how to drive. and twizzler the reason ppl run differently is all about the truck setup. and who ever said that u should not do a v8 swap if ur still debating it didnt do his right cuz they are well worth it.

I haven't done mine right? Who you trying to shit? I've had mine done for 6 years now, and no matter how well you think you've done one, you're never satisfied with the results (initially) and there are always bugs to work out. It's unrealistic to tell someone who you know nothing about that he'll be satisfied with a swap. You have absolutely no way to know how his will turn out. I don't try to sugar coat this stuff, you can if you choose, but when someone wants a scape goat when he's left with a truck thats undriveable, I'll point him in your direction. :icon_idea:And as mine stands today with a basically stock motor, it'll equal yours in the 1/4 mile.:D

[red85]

The real secret is in the gearing. A 302 in a Ranger will spin the tires from here to eternity with a set of 4.10's on a set of 235/75/15's. With the same truck and tires and a set of 3.45's the torque of the motor against the slightly taller gears allows the truck to hook well, have screaming top end and good manners on the highway.

Baddad, you're absolutely right about being dissatisfied with the results. I have had mine completed for a couple years and have been consistently plotting the "more power" plan ever since the truck moved under its' own power for the first time. Right now I'm working on a nice new motor, but if finances can't cooperate I'll do some more porting on my heads and call it a day until I can put the big bad 427W under my hood.

Ironman, if you want to do a V8 conversion, do it. You will learn a ton about your truck in the process. I did mine because a guy at a parts counter told me I couldn't do it. I was stubborn, pissed and determined. I did it and have always made sure I brought it by that parts store whenever I wanted something small just to turn the knife a little :)

[Twizzler09]

Ok, so if the secret is in the gearing....

Say I'm running a 302 stroked/bored to 347, and I'm pushing 415 horses and 410 lbs/ft torque, my Transmisison ratios are: 2.84/1.56/1.00/0.67 and I'm running 235/50/17 tires.

For 1/4 mile... I need a balance between top speed and acceleration. Which rear-end ratio would be best, 3.73, 4.10. 4.56?

Crunching those number my potential top speeds (assuming engine redlines at 6.5K RPM) in each gear is:

3.73 Rear
1st: 47mph
2nd: 87mph
3rd: 136mph
4th: 203mph

4.10 Rear
1st: 43mph
2nd: 79mph
3rd: 123mph
4th: 184mph

4.53 Rear
1st: 39mph
2nd: 71mph
3rd: 111mph
4th: 166mph


Now, assuming the truck is able to get up to speeds that high, which one of these would be best for a 1/4 mile situation? Something between 4.10 and 4.56 I think would be ideal because it would give me excellent acceleration abilities, given I don't think I'll be running 7.5 second 170mph+ times, which means I could live with a 166mph top speed.

Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm trying to make sure my theory on proper drag setups is correct.

[baddad457]

I don't know where you got those figures from, but you'd have to spin the motor to 9700 rpms to make it to 203 mph with 3.73's. That ain't gonna happen with 26" tires. Top speed with a 347 (7500 rpms, if it'll pull that in 4th) would only be 157. With 400 ft/lbs torque, you could get by fine with 3.25's.

[Twizzler09]

4th Gear runs a ratio of 0.67 which drastically increases the potential top speed of the vehicle in question. If I'm not mistaken, 3.25 would drastically decrease the vehicle's acceleration ability when compared to say a 4.10... which for 1/4 mile times, is not what I need. The faster it accelerates, the better.

With the maximum safe RPM of the engine being 6500, and the ratio of the gear currently being used (in the case of 4th gear, 0.67...tire size 235/50/17) and the final drive ratio being 3.73, equated to a potential top speed of 203mph *ASSUMING THE MOTOR IN QUESTION COULD GET IT THERE*

As I understand it, engine CID/Displacement in no way correlates to the top speed of the vehicle (after all, there are 190CID motors that run 200+ mph). If I'm correct in saying so, top speed is directly related to the maximum engine RPMs, Trans Gear Ratio, and the Rear-End Ratio, operating under the assumption that the motor in question is capable of the power output nessecary to reach the assumed top speed. Acceleration is determined by a combination of the power output of the motor in question and the Trans Ratios/Rear-End Ratio. The resulting combination from the engine power output and gearing determines how quickly the vehicle will be able to attain its max speed.

Is this correct? Correct me if I'm wrong here, please.

http://www.catherineandken.co.uk/sti/tyres.html <--- been using that for the calculations, would someone mind looking into it and making sure its accurate? I'd hate to use it to try and plan out a decent drag setup only to find out its inaccurate.

[macdaddy31516]

Base 6.0 Corvette is 400hp and 400ft#--real SAE net horsepower, not gross. 4.8 0-60 and a 12.8 @ 107mph in the quarter-mile.

Z06 Corvette (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=107906) 7.0 liter, 505hp 470ft#--again, real SAE numbers. 4.5 0-60 and 12.2 @ 120mph.

I'd like a chance to take on a 302 Ranger in either of these Corvettes.:3gears:

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/roadtest/06.chevrolet.corvette.z06/06.chevrolet.corvette.eng.500.jpg

with those 60 ft. times, i am confident you will be sick if you try me.:taunt:

[red85]

^:stirthepot::icon_rofl: $5 on Macdaddy LOL

[baddad457]

4th Gear runs a ratio of 0.67 which drastically increases the potential top speed of the vehicle in question. If I'm not mistaken, 3.25 would drastically decrease the vehicle's acceleration ability when compared to say a 4.10... which for 1/4 mile times, is not what I need. The faster it accelerates, the better.

With the maximum safe RPM of the engine being 6500, and the ratio of the gear currently being used (in the case of 4th gear, 0.67...tire size 235/50/17) and the final drive ratio being 3.73, equated to a potential top speed of 203mph *ASSUMING THE MOTOR IN QUESTION COULD GET IT THERE*

As I understand it, engine CID/Displacement in no way correlates to the top speed of the vehicle (after all, there are 190CID motors that run 200+ mph). If I'm correct in saying so, top speed is directly related to the maximum engine RPMs, Trans Gear Ratio, and the Rear-End Ratio, operating under the assumption that the motor in question is capable of the power output nessecary to reach the assumed top speed. Acceleration is determined by a combination of the power output of the motor in question and the Trans Ratios/Rear-End Ratio. The resulting combination from the engine power output and gearing determines how quickly the vehicle will be able to attain its max speed.

Is this correct? Correct me if I'm wrong here, please.

http://www.catherineandken.co.uk/sti/tyres.html <--- been using that for the calculations, would someone mind looking into it and making sure its accurate? I'd hate to use it to try and plan out a decent drag setup only to find out its inaccurate.
Fourth gear in what? The 3+1 OD's I know of all run a .70 4th. You'd have to have one hell of an engine to turn that many rpms in any overdrive transmission. 1:1 4th is more like it in a 5 speed.

[ironman]

surprised-thought that there would be alot more people that ran there trucks at the track. Here in ky many tracks to go to. By spring will have a truck built and time slips to show times in a 1/8 and 1/4 mile tracks would be nice to get a few people together to have a ranger shoot out{like the stangs do}

[v-8power]

As of right now i have less than a grand in my 351w swap, that includes the price of the truck. I already had most of the parts. I guess if i added the price of them from when i bought them it would be closer to 2500. I can not wait to take it to the track. I'm hoping it'll be faster then the 2.3 i took out.LOL

[Maverick]

with those 60 ft. times, i am confident you will be sick if you try me.:taunt:

Are you serious? Look a little closer, that's 0-60 MPH. If your truck beat a regular Vette, you got some money into it. That or the guy in the Vette doesn't know where the skinny pedal is.

[Twizzler09]

baddad, the transmission I used as a reference point (mainly because I'm looking at using it in my truck.. :p) is the 4STB transmission from FB Transmissions. Its 4th/OD gear is 0.67, and it has two different gearing options for 1st/2nd. All the 4STB is, at least what the guys at FB say it is, is the Ford AOD with a manual valve body.

I know its gonna take a hell of a motor to get it to 6500RPM with a .67 OD gearing, which is why I've been playing with the rear differential ratio, and I'm adding a blower to the Motor I'm looking at, pushing it from 415hp/410 lbs-ft to somewhere in the 500 neighborhood on both counts (I hope, lol). This is why I've been talking about rear-end ratios, and which one of the three I mentioned, would be best for the 1/4 mile. I'm thinking about running 4.10 or 4.56 right now, they seem like the better option to me.

[baddad457]

Oh, I see now, I thought you were looking at manual transmissions. Unless you do something different with the rear suspension, I'd go with 3.73's. At a minimum, you need to move the battery and fuel tank to the rear of the truck, even then, getting it to hook up is hard unless you're going to run slicks.

[baddad457]

At 6500, mine was topped in with the 331 at 140 mph. But that's with the Toploader 4 speed (1:1 4th)

[Twizzler09]

Well the truck is getting lowered, 4 inch on front 5 inch on back, and I'm thinking about putting in a custom 4-link rear and running drag slicks....

The fuel tank is already in the rear section of the truck, but I'm switching from the 20.5 gallon tank to probably an 8 gallon fuel cell.

Out of curiosity, why the 3.73? What in your opinion makes it the best choice? I'm still needing some good input here =)

[macdaddy31516]

Are you serious? Look a little closer, that's 0-60 MPH. If your truck beat a regular Vette, you got some money into it. That or the guy in the Vette doesn't know where the skinny pedal is.

oops, i see that now. i will still take"em, i aint skeered! the corvette is not what its all cracked up to be.:stirthepot:

[baddad457]

Well the truck is getting lowered, 4 inch on front 5 inch on back, and I'm thinking about putting in a custom 4-link rear and running drag slicks....

The fuel tank is already in the rear section of the truck, but I'm switching from the 20.5 gallon tank to probably an 8 gallon fuel cell.

Out of curiosity, why the 3.73? What in your opinion makes it the best choice? I'm still needing some good input here =)

3.73's will be harder to spin the tires is all. Even then, it's not hard. MIne's got a maybe 300 horse 302 and with the 4 speed and 3.73's it has no problem boiling the hides, but they're only 275 wide street radials.

[Twizzler09]

Yeah, it'd be harder to spin the tires with 3.73's.... but as long as I don't do anything stupid with the gas pedal.... I should be able to keep it from spinning the rears alot on takeoff with the 4.10 or 4.56. Just means I'm gonna hafta practice a bit to get my launches down correctly :icon_thumby:

[purplehaze]

hey, first corvettes are not worth the price, ex. local pizza plus owner in town bought new one with 505hp and i've raced him 4 times, first time had radials and no tune(about 20 miles on engine since built ) stayd by him to 60mph smokin tires,< happened twice, so told him soon as get some traction race again , so buddy bought set od mickem et streets that were 28.5 11.50. threw them on it and raced again and from 40mph roll pulled him a car and half till 90 then he passed me like i setting still(then i found out bought the difference that tire height make to your gear ratio. So i killed the et street and borrowed set of 26'' et streets and raced him at 40mph roll and pulled him 3-4 cars to 110mph then he passed me like i was setting still. I am tickled that i pulled him and stayed in front to 110, he couldn't figure why i was smilling after we raced. But im a 1/4 mile racer, he a wide open race type, i've had my range topped at 145 between 6500 and 7000 rpm(really dont know exactly trying to watch were i was going at this speed, and i didn't care for being that fast in my truck.(i tell everyone it like a brick going through the wind,(no aerodynamics at all) .far as gears depend on what u use ya truck for how far u drive it? interstate? mine is c4 with 373 and 60mph is 3000 exactly with 26'' tall tires,Interstate is tolerable barely,3'' flowmasters cut at rearend is loud when u hear it for an hour or two, a 4speed would be close to the same as this a four speed 2nd gear is first in a c4, if u run a 5 speed u can handle 4:10 , I'm swapping my c4 this winter for a tko and some 4:10s i will have a streetfire.net video up in a few of my ranger burning the slicks off. thanks for reading

[red85]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIU_vjVBDYDamn purplehaze! I thought I was the only one taking his Ranger up that fast! I had mine up to 240 kmh on a closed road and it felt pretty good. Manual steering has its place LOL. Let me see if I can find the video...

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[Twizzler09]

that link doesn't work

[red85]

I can't seem to get that link to work. Just try searching "Red85 at speed"

[projectnitemare]

I just ran mine a full quarter 2 days ago. It ran 13.3 launching and running the same way I did every other time. As far as gears it will depend on how much power you have, how are you planning on racing it and tire size. If you are going above a 30in tire 3.73s aren't going to help you in the quarter unless you have lots of power. I would love to jump down to 4.56s or 4.88s. I have way too much top speed; the truck has done 147mph and still had another gear to go. I'm done finding what kind of speed it will do; it's for the dirt. Time to get some mud on it.

Matt

[prorider310r]

I had a 85 ranger with a stock windsor in it .040 with a .488 lift cam, 3.40 gears, open differntial, edelbrock 750, C-4 .

Truck ran a 1/8th mile best 8.9 n/a, consistantly 9.1's @72
On a 125 shot sniper kit it ran 8.4s consitanly @ 84 mph crappy 2.2 60'

Total money invested was about 3k

[smokeshow83]

88 ford rangr with 351w 40 over with 544 cam . rpm air gap intake edlebrock 750 factory exhaust manifolds and stock stall. 373 gears 7.5 rear with 26x10 et streets. c4 with manual valve body. truck kept stalling out on kick so i had to roll into throttle. 2.32 60' times 8.0 et at 91 and 92 miles an hour. with a 125 spray.

now i have an 3500 stall and shorty headers and 2 1/2 exhaust . still spraying same shot for now and i havent found out for sure yet but i have been told that i should be going 7.5s or 7.3s in the 8th. hopefuly i will go 6.99 with a boat load more spray.

as far as anyone wanting to do the swap . i loved every minute of my truck. just have a few problems everynow and then with locating parts for it. but it is the easiest vehicle i have ever seen to put a v8 into.

[847b]

Just under $9K
12.84 @ 102.3 mph in the quarter (floating the valves at 5100 rpm)
New valve springs for next season, expecting 12.3-12.5

351W, 1970 worked over heads (getting replaced by AFR)
hyd roller cam w/roller rockers
750 double pumper & RPM Air gap
Performance Automatic C-4 w/transbrake (havent used t-brake yet)
3500 rpm stall converter

Competition engineering 4-link with coil over shocks
9 inch Ford rear end with 3.89 and traction lock

Dead on consistent, never traction problems.

[supermonkey]

Lots of variables affect the et.My setup was an 89 shortbed I bought new for 7 grand.85 forged piston roller shortblock,B cam ,edelbrock RPM heads,airgap manifold,750 holley,hooker swap kit,t5 trans,sploder 8.8 with 3.73s.i was running full corner burnersuspension:lowered,stockcar wheels,swaybars and STIFF shocks.Ran 8.55 @ 81 on drag radials.Suspension cost me 1/2 second.Dont wanna think about what the build cost me,but it looked and sounded so badass it was worth every cent.

[Dan B.]

The intial build cost was $1300.....1976 LTD2 donor carwith a REALLY tired 2bbl 351W, FMX tranny, Mopar 8.75" rear loaded w/ 3.23 SureGrip from a Cordoba(narrowed 15"), and S-10 rear springs. This involved a lot of horse trading and selling what I could from the donor cars. This set up went a dismal 16.2 sec in the 1/4.

Gen 2 consisted up swapping the FMX for a C4 loaded with all kinds of goodies and building the motor w/ WP 2.02/1.60 heads, .030 over KB slugs, Edelbrock intake, Crane roller goodies and Carter AFB 625. This went a best of 14.143 at 95.5mph. Still running the 3.23's and 275/60-15's. I had $400 in the trans plus TCI Convertor and about $2K in the motor.

Gen 3 started four years ago...kid and house came along so all progress stopped. In Sept I started and finished this phase. The upgrades this time were...cam to a .512 lift Crane, fuel cell, batt reloc'd to the bed, Holley Red pump, bigger fuel lines. So it's still through the mani's and 2" pipes which is really slowing it down. With 275/60-15's radials and 3.23's I made one pass less than 12hr's after completing the build and went 13.90@99mph. That's .2 sec and 4mph faster than the gen 2 configuration with no tune time...it ran, rolled and stopped at 1AM so I trailered it and went to bed. After that I let the kid who helped me race it...he was bad...nuff said. I went back to racing the 2000 Bandit 1200S! Added $$ this time was about $1K in parts and misc stuff.

With TP headers, tuning, Air Gap intake and better carb it will rock! Also plan on swapping to 3.55's and 26" ET Streets...both of which are in the garage just waiting to get installed. Should easily push into the very, very low 13's or even high 12's with all the above stuff added. That's about as fast as I want her to go.