View Full Version : Ford ceo favors .50/gal fuel tax increase
tempforce
01-30-2009, 08:33 AM
link here
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/08/gas_ford.html
i don't know where his reasoning comes from.
people will drive less and or have less available money to buy products, such as replacement vehicles. sounds like he's shooting his-self in the pocket book.
lowering prices and taxes, makes it easier for people to buy the stuff they need and they are able to buy extras sooner.
if the government used the money they get from us, like we have to. they would have surpluses every year.
ford's ceo, needs to get real and listen to his customers, not politicians.
jasonl
01-30-2009, 10:09 AM
Ummm that article was from August 2007. Man if gas goes back up before this recession ends we will go into a depression. Heck we might anyhow. Isn't it funny how as bad as things were it took the corrupt speculators to get gas to $4 gal to finally break the camels back.
Hawker
01-31-2009, 09:06 PM
Politicians love to raise taxes. Car manufacturers don't care where they come up with the money to support them, just keep it coming and lots of it. This is just one guy scratching their back and getting well paid for it. (yeah, Ford not on the dole yet but will be there soon). If he's such a deep planner and thinker, how come they're in the shape they're in?
BrokeRecord
01-31-2009, 10:56 PM
It sounds like he's brown nosing Congress to see that he wants to help out, by hitting the taxpayers for the bail out and getting taxed more at gas pump. Ergo, little man pays for it all.:headbang::icon_confused:
No, you guys are missing the point.
Ford wants to research alternative fuels. The problem is, when gas is cheap the research is wasted money for them. It's already happened to all of the manufacturers--gas goes up, they dump a bunch of money into alternative fuels, gas drops and they have to chop up all the cars and eat the research losses. Fuel going from $4 down to $1.70 makes it tough to game plan.
v-8power
02-01-2009, 12:02 AM
No, you guys are missing the point.
Ford wants to research alternative fuels. The problem is, when gas is cheap the research is wasted money for them. It's already happened to all of the manufacturers--gas goes up, they dump a bunch of money into alternative fuels, gas drops and they have to chop up all the cars and eat the research losses. Fuel going from $4 down to $1.70 makes it tough to game plan.
They could still do the research. They just have a harder time justifing the cost to the board members. IMO
They could still do the research. They just have a harder time justifing the cost to the board members. IMO
Toyota does.
Toyota isn't saddled with the UAW.
v-8power
02-01-2009, 01:58 AM
Toyota isn't saddled with the UAW.
What the hell does the UAW have to do with it? I get tired of people blaming the unions for companies problems.
Their contracts were NEGOTIATED, both sides AGREE to the terms. How ****in hard is this to understand!
SAS_RANGER
02-01-2009, 02:23 AM
If prices go back up like that during last summer + the .50 cent tax I don't think I can afford to drive period.
bobbywalter
02-01-2009, 12:51 PM
check the timeline of the artical. it was not written last night. By Joe Benton
ConsumerAffairs.com
August 8, 2007
****ing uaw has everything to do with it......30 years of unnecessary redtape ****ing bullshit negotiatons that are accords more then fair reasonable deals...reality is reality....not a whole lot of room for that with things being what they are from non union to union....
its the standard that helped get us where we are today...one of the ways that drove my medical insurance (self employed competing with reality) to 1500 a month 6 years or so ago...couple years of that and i had to give it up..was only paying 7- 800's late 90's.
now that the world banks have recovered from debt forgivness you all paid for in fuel prices.....seems possible that greed collapsed the economy? and they just took a bunch more money..??
looks that way. i dunno..:icon_confused:
:icon_rofl:
if the big three cant keep r@d justified for 0 or near zero emmissions...
FUK-EM
DIE MOTHER F-RS DIE!
:annoyed:
its not all hate like that though...i do support a fuel surcharge for direct r&d funds for AMERICAN COMPANIES to clean up the fleet in short order
call me a COMMIE...i dont care but it can be done and its a small price to pay for the short term in my eyes..
feellnfroggy
02-01-2009, 04:06 PM
Gas tax on fuel means more money for the govt. More money for the govt means more funds avail for lending. Its also means that with more money coming in from fuel taxes, tax breaks to auto manufacturers can be handed out.
fixizin
02-06-2009, 06:51 PM
Now, I know I'm talking about FORESIGHT and WISDOM and other qualities typically lacking in our lobbyist-driven oligarchy (oh, sorry... were you... still living FD&H inside the "democracy" matrix?... my bad), but anyway...
... if FEDGOD had s-l-o-w-l-y ramped up gas taxes (e.g. $0.02/year), starting WAY BACK in 1973 (remember the gas lines and RATIONING?), AND kept the gas-guzzler tax in place, AND put almost ALL the increase into alt.energy research and pilot programs, then:
a) You wouldn't even notice the tax;
b) we'd BE in alt.energy land (like Brazil, but NOT w/ ethanol);
c) we would NOT be dying in Iraq (you didn't think it was about WMDs.... did you? It was because Saddam started selling his OIL for EUROS instead of US greenbacks... his bad.)
d) we would save HUNDREDS of BILLIONS on DoD budget every year... to be plowed back into the "homeland"...
Think Manhattan Project... think Apollo Moon Project... think Ranger 4x4 getting 40MPG on CNG... :icon_thumby:
98mazdaman
03-14-2009, 07:58 PM
I dont want to pay any more money than i have to.
firefighter
03-15-2009, 07:48 PM
maybe ford favors the increas beaucse the run some of the most fuel efficant cars/trucks on the road as far as domestic cars go. So if someone is dead set on Ford/Chevy/Dodge for there next veichel and the gas goes up, then fuel efficanty will be even further in the mind and will see ford as a leader in the catagorie.
What the hell does the UAW have to do with it? I get tired of people blaming the unions for companies problems.
Their contracts were NEGOTIATED, both sides AGREE to the terms. How ****in hard is this to understand!
Simple. Instead of Ford's money going to R&D, it goes into the pockets of overpaid union workers.
The contracts were negotiated, yes. But the UAW was basically pointing a gun at Ford...there is no choice but to agree when you're loosing millions of dollars an hour because the lines are stopped.
AKBroncoII
03-16-2009, 03:11 PM
I wish oil prices would jump back up. We are getting gouged up here anyways so at least maybe it would get some more work going.
I wish oil prices would jump back up. We are getting gouged up here anyways so at least maybe it would get some more work going.
Don't worry...they'll go up soon enough. :D
AKBroncoII
03-17-2009, 02:18 PM
I am going to take a hit filling up the boat and tow rig but I feel it would be worth it. Diesel is still well over 3$ a gallon and closer to 4$ a gallon at the fuel dock.
doorgunner
03-18-2009, 05:22 PM
Fellas, fellas----the unfortunate thing about growing old is the fact that you find out: (1) 90% of everything is a scam.
(2) They're kind enough (:icon_rofl:) to let us keep 10% of what we earn to live on.
(3) i'm too mad to continue....
85_Ranger4x4
03-18-2009, 07:49 PM
I am going to take a hit filling up the boat and tow rig but I feel it would be worth it. Diesel is still well over 3$ a gallon and closer to 4$ a gallon at the fuel dock.
Just a random thought I just had, does marine diesel have road tax on it?
LearjetMinako
03-30-2009, 10:23 AM
A tax increase on fuels is over due. If it does back to something useful like repairing roads or R&D for alt. fuel, then I'm for it. But if its to line pockets and waste it, then no. But no matter the reason, we the people can't really do much except voice our opinion.
Driving a 4-cyl Ranger does have an advantage.
Loanranger
03-30-2009, 09:58 PM
Kind of suspicious that ford would want to up gas taxes, and now doesn't need a bailout.... hmmmm..
:tinfoilhat:
:icon_rofl:
gatlin04
03-31-2009, 04:34 AM
What the hell does the UAW have to do with it? I get tired of people blaming the unions for companies problems.
Their contracts were NEGOTIATED, both sides AGREE to the terms. How ****in hard is this to understand!
It is both of their stupidities............ How friggin hard is it to take a impact wrench and put 2 bolts on........ and then they bitch that someone will come in and replace them for $14 and hour......Both sides are idiotic. ....
there are too many UAW doing too little work for too much pay......... SIMPLE AS THAT
fx408
04-04-2009, 12:45 AM
unions were invented to protect the workers from being taken advantage of. Now it allows the lazy to keep their job, AND, is why the big 3 cant keep up to the eastern manufaturers.
hades
05-06-2010, 06:15 AM
Hmmm... he really needs to listen to the customers and not the politicians. He's not being logical and it might put Ford into more trouble.
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Southern_Trendkill
05-06-2010, 11:22 AM
What the hell does the UAW have to do with it? I get tired of people blaming the unions for companies problems.
Their contracts were NEGOTIATED, both sides AGREE to the terms. How ****in hard is this to understand!
That's like saying that POW's were guilty of war crimes because they signed confessions. Having a gun pointed at your head pretty much ensures cooperation. Unions don't negotiate anything, they just blackmail, plain and simple.
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